OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE - OFFICIAL? NOT?

Taitz told WND she plans to file additional paperwork with the Florida court tomorrow, adding the alleged Kenyan birth certificate to Maj. Cook's case.

Since we first wrote about Obama's birth certificate on June 16, speculation on his citizenship has continued apace. Some claim that Obama posted a fake birth certificate to his Web page. That charge leaped from the blogosphere to the mainstream media earlier this week when Jerome Corsi, author of a book attacking Obama, repeated the claim in an Aug. 15 interview with Steve Doocy on Fox News.

Corsi: Well, what would be really helpful is if Senator Obama would release primary documents like his birth certificate. The campaign has a false, fake birth certificate posted on their website. How is anybody supposed to really piece together his life?

Doocy: What do you mean they have a "false birth certificate" on their Web site?

Corsi: The original birth certificate of Obama has never been released, and the campaign refuses to release it.

Doocy: Well, couldn't it just be a State of Hawaii-produced duplicate?

Corsi: No, it's a -- there's been good analysis of it on the Internet, and it's been shown to have watermarks from Photoshop. It's a fake document that's on the Web site right now, and the original birth certificate the campaign refuses to produce.

Corsi isn't the only skeptic claiming that the document is a forgery. Among the most frequent objections we saw on forums, blogs and e-mails are:

The birth certificate doesn't have a raised seal.
It isn't signed.
No creases from folding are evident in the scanned version.
In the zoomed-in view, there's a strange halo around the letters.
The certificate number is blacked out.
The date bleeding through from the back seems to say "2007," but the document wasn't released until 2008.
The document is a "certification of birth," not a "certificate of birth."

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.

The Obama birth certificate, held by FactCheck writer Joe Miller

Alvin T. Onaka's signature stamp

The raised seal

Blowup of text

You can click on the photos to get full-size versions, which haven't been edited in any way, except that some have been rotated 90 degrees for viewing purposes.

The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.

The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.

We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn't release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama's citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: "[We] couldn't get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we've found out it's pretty irrelevant for the outside world." The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641.

Some of the conspiracy theories that have circulated about Obama are quite imaginative. One conservative blogger suggested that the campaign might have obtained a valid Hawaii birth certificate, soaked it in solvent, then reprinted it with Obama's information. Of course, this anonymous blogger didn't have access to the actual document and presents this as just one possible "scenario" without any evidence that such a thing actually happened or is even feasible.

We also note that so far none of those questioning the authenticity of the document have produced a shred of evidence that the information on it is incorrect. Instead, some speculate that somehow, maybe, he was born in another country and doesn't meet the Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural-born citizen."

We think our colleagues at PolitiFact.com, who also dug into some of these loopy theories put it pretty well: "It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over."

In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:

Obama's birth announcement

The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama "likely" was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.

Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.

Update, August 26: We received responses to some of our questions from the Hawaii Department of Health. They couldn't tell us anything about their security paper, but they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama's father's race listed as "African"? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father's race and mother's race are supplied by the parents, and that "we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be." We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as "African." It's certainly not the slam dunk some readers have made it out to be.

When we asked about the security borders, which look different from some other examples of Hawaii certifications of live birth, Kurt said "The borders are generated each time a certified copy is printed. A citation located on the bottom left hand corner of the certificate indicates which date the form was revised." He also confirmed that the information in the short form birth certificate is sufficient to prove citizenship for "all reasonable purposes."

–by Jess Henig, with Joe Miller

Sources

United States Department of State. "Application for a U.S. Passport." Accessed 20 Aug. 2008.

State of Hawaii Department of Health. "Request for Certified Copy of Birth Record." Accessed 20 Aug. 2008.

Hollyfield, Amy. "Obama's Birth Certificate: Final Chapter." Politifact.com. 27 Jun. 2008.

SHOCKER!!: SEN. BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA FOUND NOT TO BE A U.S. CITIZEN AND THEREFORE IS NOT QUALIFIED TO PRESIDENT NOR SENATOR...IT’S NO SURPRISE THAT HE HAS TO RESORTED TO MASS HYNOTIZING AND MIND CONTROLLING US VOTERS TO FORCE US TO VOTE FOR HIM SUBLIMINALLY AFTER ALL, N’EST-CE PAS? PRAY FOR THE FURTHER EXPOSURE OF ALL LIARS AND THEIR LIES AND THAT ONLY THOSE BEST QUALIFIED BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT....

Obama & DNC admit all allegations in Berg v. Obama

Obama Crimes
October 21, 2008

Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and tbe DNC “ADMITTED”, by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit. Obama is “NOT QUALIFIED” to be President and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate.

The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

Berg stated that he filed Requests for Admissions on September 15, 2008 with a response by way of answer or objection had to be served within thirty [30] days. No response to the Requests for Admissions was served by way of response or objection. Thus, all of the Admissions directed to Obama and the DNC are deemed “ADMITTED.” Therefore, Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President.
OBAMA - Admitted:
1. I was born in Kenya.
2. I am a Kenya “natural born” citizen.
3. My foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii.
4. My father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. admitted Paternity of me.
5. My mother gave birth to me in Mombosa, Kenya.
6. My mother’s maiden name is Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Dunham.
7. The COLB [Certification of Live Birth] posted on the website “Fightthesmears.com” is a forgery.
8. I was adopted by a Foreign Citizen.
9. I was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia.
10. I was not born in Hawaii.
11. I was not born at the Queens Medical Center in Hawaii.
12. I was not born at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Hawaii.
13. I was not born in a Hospital in Hawaii.
14. I am a citizen of Indonesia.
15. I never took the “Oath of Allegiance” to regain my U.S. Citizenship status.
16. I am not a “natural born” United States citizen.
17. My date of birth is August 4, 1961.
18. I traveled to Pakistan in 1981 with my Pakistan friends.
19. In 1981, I went to Indonesia on my way to Pakistan.
20. Pakistan was a no travel zone in 1981 for American Citizens.
21. In 1981, Pakistan was not allowing American Citizens to enter their country.
22. I traveled on my Indonesian Passport to Pakistan.
23. I renewed my Indonesian Passport on my way to Pakistan.
24. My senior campaign staff is aware I am not a “natural born” United States Citizen.
25. I am proud of my Kenya Heritage.
26. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name.
27. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name.
28. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth.
29. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name.
30. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name.
31. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth.
32. The document identified as my Indonesian School record from Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia is genuine.
33. I went to a Judge in Hawaii to have my name changed.
34. I went to a Senator and/or Congressman or other public official in Hawaii to have my name changed.
35. I had a passport issued to me from the Government of Indonesia.
36. The United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.
37. I am ineligible pursuant to the United States Constitution to serve as President and/or Vice President of the United States.
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38. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Indonesia.
39. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Kenya.
40. I am an Attorney who specializes in Constitutional Law.
41. Kenya was a part of the British Colonies at the time of my birth.
42. Kenya did not become its own Republic until 1963.
43. I am not a “Naturalized” United States Citizen.
44. I obtained $200 Million dollars in campaign funds by fraudulent means.
45. I cannot produce a “vault” (original) long version of a birth certificate showing my birth in Hawaii.
46. My “vault” (original) long version birth certificate shows my birth in Kenya.
47. The only times I was to a Hospital in Hawaii was for check-ups or medical treatments for illnesses.
48. Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me.
49. Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me.
50. I was born in the Coast Province Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.
51. I represented on my State Bar application in Illinois that I never used any other name other than Barack Hussein Obama.
52. I went by the name Barry Soetoro in Indonesia.
53. My Indonesian school records are under the name of Barry Soetoro.
54. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when admitted to the State Bar of Illinois to practice Law.
55. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when I was Sworn into my United States Senate Office.
56. I hold dual citizenship with at least one other Country besides the United States of America.
DNC - Admitted:
1. The DNC nominated Barrack Hussein Obama as the Democratic Nominee for President.
2. The DNC has not vetted Barrack Hussein Obama.
3. The DNC did not have a background check performed on Barrack Hussein Obama.
4.The DNC did not verify Barrack Hussein Obama’s eligibility to serve as President of the United States.
5. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya.
6. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama is not a “natural born” United States citizen.
7. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama was not born in Hawaii.
8.The DNC admits they have not inquired into Barrack Hussein Obama’s citizenship status.
9. The DNC admits they have a duty to properly vette the Democratic Nominee for President.
10.The DNC admits Lolo Soetoro, M.A., an Indonesian citizen adopted Barrack Hussein Obama.
11. The DNC admits the Credentials Committee has been aware of this lawsuit since August 22, 2008 as the lawsuit was faxed to our Washington D.C. Office on August 22, 2008.
12. The DNC admits their Credentials Committee failed to verify and/or inquire into the credentials of Barack Hussein Obama to serve as the President of the United States.
13. The DNC admits their Credential Committee’s Report failed to address the issues of Barack Hussein Obama’s ineligibility to serve as President of the United States.
14.The DNC admits Howard Dean, Chair Person has and had knowledge Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya and ineligible to serve as the President of the United States.
15. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all Democratic citizens of the United States have been personally injured as a result of not having a qualified Democratic Presidential Nominee to cast their votes upon.
16. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all citizens of the United States have a Constitutional Right to vote for the President of the United States and to have two (2) qualified candidates of which to choose from.
17. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all citizens of the United States have a Constitutional right to have a properly vetted Democratic Presidential Nominee of which to cast their vote.
18. The DNC admits an FBI background check is not performed on the Presidential or Vice Presidential Candidates.
19. The DNC admits the United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.
20. The DNC admits they collected donations on behalf of Barack Hussein Obama for his Presidential campaign.
21. The DNC admits Plaintiff and Democratic citizens donated money based on false representations that Barack Hussein Obama was qualified to serve as the President of the United States.
22. The DNC admits if Barack Hussein Obama is elected as President and allowed to serve as President of the United States in violation of our Constitution, it will create a Constitutional crisis.
23. The DNC admits Barack Hussein Obama took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution.
24. The DNC admits allowing a person who is not a “natural born” citizen to serve as President of the United States violates Plaintiff’s rights to due process of law in violation of the United States Constitution.
25. The DNC admits allowing a person who is not a “natural born” citizen to serve as President of the United States violates Plaintiff’s rights to Equal Protection of the laws in violation of the United States Constitution.
26. The DNC admits the function of the DNC is to secure a Democratic Presidential Candidate who will protect Democratic citizen’s interests, fight for their equal opportunities and fight for justice for all Americans.
27. The DNC admits the Democratic National Committee has been promoting Barack Hussein Obama’s Presidential election knowing he was ineligible to serve as President of the United States.
Our website obamacrimes.com now has 50.7 + million hits. We are urging all to spread the word of our website – and forward to your local newspapers, radio and TV stations. Berg again stressed his position regarding the urgency of this case as, “we” the people, are heading to a “Constitutional Crisis” if this case is not resolved forthwith.
Philip J. Berg, Esquire
555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12
Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-2531
Cell (610) 662-3005
(610) 825-3134
(800) 993-PHIL [7445]
Fax (610) 834-7659
philjberg@obamacrimes.com

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     2.     Tom Says:
     3.     October 21st, 2008 at 11:15 pm
     4.     Pray for the exposure of all Liars and their Lie; prayer does work; just witness this shocking revelation; it seems God sees the truth and waits, then, let’s the Truth wins out…..
     5.     73
     6.     Isaac Says:
     7.     October 21st, 2008 at 11:15 pm
     8.     So let me get this straight. He admitted nothing. He refused to respond to fluff and that is somehow an admission on his part and the DNC?
     9.     Sad that this made infowars. I like infowars and AJ but sometimes….sometimes….
     10.     Sadly its becoming more often.
     11.     72
     12.     Sherlock 008 Says:
     13.     October 21st, 2008 at 11:11 pm
     14.     banned
     15.     71
     16.     No Obama Says:
     17.     October 21st, 2008 at 11:09 pm
     18.     They were provided with Request for Admissions in a court matter. They can respond, object, request an extension of time in which to respond or ignore it. They ignored it. Therefore it is deemed they have no objections and are not offering any responses contrary to what Berg is asserting. They have, therefore, agreed with or admitted to Berg’s assertions. It is not too hard to understand. It is already long clear that Obama cannot provide proof of his citizenship because he is not a citizen or he would have done so a long time ago and dismissed this entire issue. Now the only question is how this is ultimately going to be handled because it won’t go away. That must be making him somewhat nervous.
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Americas greatest challenge! Fiction or Prophecy? You decide!

Ah...Sorry To Bother
You, Mr. Obama, Sir...
Columbo Still Scratching His Head...
9-22-8

*

Excuse me Mr. Obama, I mean Senator Obama, sir. Um . . . know you are busy and important and stuff. I mean running for president is very important and . . . ah . . . I hate to bother you. I will only take a minute ok, sir?

See, I have these missing pieces that are holding me up, and I was wondering sir, if you could take time out of your busy schedule and help me out. You know, no big deal, just some loose ends and things.

Hey, you have a nice place here! The wife sees houses like this on TV all the time and says boy she wishes she had digs like this you know? Is that painting real? Really? Wow. I saw something like that in a museum once!

Oh, sorry sir. I didn't mean to get off the track. So if you could just help me out a minute and give me some details, I will get right out of your way. I want to close this case and maybe take the wife to Coney Island or something. Ever been to Coney Island ? No, I didn't think so. .

Well, listen, anyways, I can't seem to get some information I need to wrap this up. These things seem to either be 'locked' or 'not available'. I'm sure it's just some oversight or glitch or something, so if you could you tell me where these things are . . . I . . I . . . have them written down here somewhere . . . oh wait. Sorry about the smears. It was raining out. I'll just read it to you.

Could you help me please find these things, sir?

1. Occidental College records -- Not released
2. Columbia College records -- Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper -- 'not available'
4. Harvard College records -- Not released
5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released
6. Medical records -- Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- 'not available'
8. Law practice client list -- Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate - - Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published -- None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None
13. Your Record of baptism-- Not released or 'not available'
14. Your Illinois State Senate records--'not available'

Oh hey . . listen! I know you are busy! Is this too much for you now? I mean tell you what. I will come back tomorrow. Give you some time to get these things together, you know? I mean, I know you are busy, so I will just let myself out. I will be back tomorrow. And the day after.

"Who wants to know these things?" asks Senator Obama.

Columbo answered:

THE PEOPLE

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Obama Refuses to Answer Birth Certificate Lawsuit

Friday, October 24, 2008 4:16 PM

By: Kenneth R. Timmerman

A Pennsylvania lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama is not a “natural-born citizen” of the United States took an unusual twist this week, after a federally mandated deadline requiring Obama’s lawyers to produce a “vault” copy of his birth certificate expired with no response from Obama or his lawyers.

The lawsuit, filed by former Pennsylvania Deputy Attorney General Philip J. Berg — a self-avowed supporter of Hillary Clinton — alleges that Barack Obama was born in Kenya and is thus “ineligible” to run for president of the United States. It demands that Obama’s lawyers produce a copy of his original birth certificate to prove that he is a natural-born U.S. citizen.

Berg's suit and allegations have set off a wave of Internet buzz and rumors, though Obama could easily have put the matter to rest by providing the federal court with the basic documentation proving he is eligible to take the oath of a president. But Obama has apparently decided to deny the court and the public that documentation.

The Constitution provides that any U.S. citizen is eligible to become president if the person is 35 years of age or older and is a natural-born citizen; that is, born in the territorial United States.

By failing to respond to the Request for Admissions and Request for the Production of Documents within 30 days, Obama has “admitted” that he was born in Kenya, Berg stated this week in new court filings.

Berg released a long list of “admissions” he submitted to Obama’s lawyers on Sept. 15, and asked that they produce documents relating to Obama’s place of birth and citizenship.

Instead of responding, lawyers for Obama and the DNC asked the court to dismiss the case. But Judge R. Barclay Surrick of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania has issued no ruling in the case that would have given Obama’s lawyers more time.

“There are lots of legal ways to stonewall,” a well-placed Republican attorney told Newsmax, who was not authorized to comment officially on the case. “But failing to respond is not one of them.”

“The first thing they teach you in law school,” he added, “is don’t put a complaint like this in a drawer. That’s how a nuisance case can become a problem.”

The 30-day deadline for defendants to comply with a discovery request is set forth in the Federal Rules of Civil Procedures.

“It all comes down to the fact that there's nothing from the other side,” Berg said after he filed a motion on Thursday for summary judgment.

“The admissions are there. By not filing the answers or objections, the defense has admitted everything. [Obama] admits he was born in Kenya. He admits he was adopted in Indonesia. He admits that the documentation posted online is a phony. And he admits that he is constitutionally ineligible to serve as president of the United States.”

In a contentious case, lawyers on both sides will haggle over the production of documents, and will frequently go beyond the deadlines, several lawyers told Newsmax.

“The rules are more often complied with in the breech rather than the observance,” a senior trial attorney who has close ties to the Democrat Party, but is not involved in the current case, told Newsmax.

“Lawyers frequently do not return telephone calls or meet discovery deadlines because of sheer inadvertence. Therefore, we do not consider a failure to respond as a ‘violation,’” he said.

Allegations surrounding Obama’s place of birth have been swirling for months. Earlier this year, the Obama campaign sought to put down the rumors by making available a computer-generated Certification of Live Birth, issued in 2007 by the State of Hawaii. [See the Certification of Live Birth —

Respected conservative blogger Ed Morrissey called the Berg lawsuit a “conspiracy theory” that had been put to rest by the Obama campaign over the summer but ”has arisen like a zombie yet again to suck the credibility out of the conservative blogosphere.”

However, the 2007 document produced by the Obama campaign omits key information that normally appears on birth certificates in the United States, including the name of the hospital where he was born, the size and weight of the baby, and sometimes the name of the doctor who delivered him.

In addition, the critics of the 2007 document note that Obama's father is described as “African,” a term used today. The formal language in official documents at the time — 1961 — would have identified his race as “Negro” or “Colored.”

The Web site snarkybytes.com has produced a vault copy of a Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth from 1963, issued by the Hawaii Department of Health. [See the vault copy — Click Here.]

In addition to naming the hospital and more details about the baby, the 1963 vault copy also includes the “usual residence of the mother,” and the “usual occupation” of the father. None of this information appears on the 2007 Live Birth certificate produced by the Obama campaign.

Berg has been a perennial political candidate in Pennsylvania, having run in Democrat primaries for attorney general, lieutenant governor, governor, and other offices without success. He served as deputy attorney general of the State of Pennsylvania from 1972-1980.

His credibility was tarnished by work he did for the far-left “9/11 for the Truth” campaign, which alleged in a federal lawsuit that the collapse of the twin towers in New York was caused by “controlled demolition” ordered by the president of the United States.

Nevertheless, in recent weeks, lawsuits have been filed in seven additional states demanding that Barack Obama produce an original vault copy of his birth certificate, to dispel the rumors that he is not a natural-born United States citizen.

The latest suits have been filed in state and federal courts in Hawaii, Washington, California, Florida, Georgia, New York, and Connecticut to compel Obama to release his birth records.

Lawsuits in Washington and Georgia are seeking state superior courts to force the states’ secretary of state, as the chief state elections officer, to require Obama to produce original birth records from Hawaii, or else decertify him as a candidate for the presidency.

Ironically, Obama mentions his birth certificate in passing on Page 26 of his 1995 memoir, “Dreams of My Father.” “I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school,” he wrote.

Lawyers for Obama and the DNC did not return calls for comment on the current status of the case, or explain why the Obama campaign did not simply put to rest the whole controversy by releasing the birth certificate that Obama apparently cherished as a teenager.

In the past, questions about Sen. John McCain's legal status have arisen. McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone at a U.S. Army hospital. McCain had legal experts vet his constitutional qualifications, and he also disclosed a copy of his birth certificate.

Supreme Court to look at Obama Case Obama's Eligibility Challenged

National News
Address:http://www.afro.com/tabid/456/itemid/2273/Thomas-breaks-custom-forces-court-to-look-at-Obam.aspx

U.S. Associate Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas
By James Wright
AFRO Staff Writer
(December 4, 2008) -
Editors Note:
In this article formerly entitled â€œThomas Breaks Custom: Forces
Supreme Court to Look at Obama Citizenship Case,â€ which was
posted on Afro.com on December 3, the AFRO incorrectly said that Justice
Clarence Thomas had granted Leo Donofrioâ€™s application for an
emergency stay of the Dec. 15 meeting of the Electoral College. In fact,
Justice Thomas referred the petition to the conference of justices.
Because of that error, Professor Trevor Morrisonâ€™s statements
concerning the rarity of Thomasâ€™ actions were misconstrued. A
corrected version of the story follows.
U.S. Associate Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas has asked his
colleagues on the court to consider the request of an East Brunswick,
N.J. attorney, who has filed a lawsuit challenging President-elect
Barack Obamaâ€™s eligibility to be president.
Thomasâ€™s action took place after Justice David Souter had
already rejected a petition for the stay of a writ of certiorari that
asked the court to prevent the meeting of the Electoral College on Dec.
15, which will certify Obama as the 44th president of the United States
and its first African-American president.
The court has scheduled a Dec. 5 conference on the writâ€"just 10
days before the Electoral College meets.
The high courtâ€™s only African American is bringing the matter to
his colleagues as a result of an emergency stay request filed by
attorney Leo Donofrio. Donofrio sued the New Jersey Secretary of State
Nina Wells, contending that Obama was not qualified to be on the
stateâ€™s presidential ballot because of Donofrioâ€™s own
questions about Obamaâ€™s status as a natural born U.S. citizen.
Donofrio is a retired lawyer who identifies himself as a
â€œcitizenâ€™s advocate.â€ The {AFRO} learned that he
is a contributor to naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com, a Web site that
raises questions about Obamaâ€™s citizenship.
Calls made to Donofrioâ€™s residence were not returned to the
{AFRO} by press time.
Donofrio is questioning Obamaâ€™s eligibility because the former
Illinois senator, whose mom was from Kansas, was born in Hawaii and his
father was a Kenyan national. Therefore, Donofrio argues that
Obamaâ€™s supposed dual citizenshipâ€"in Kenya because of his
fatherâ€™s citizenship there and the United States because he was
born in Hawaiiâ€"does not make Obama â€œa natural born
citizenâ€ as required by Article II, Section I of the U.S.
Constitution. It states: â€œNo person except a natural born
citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption
of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of
President.â€
Donofrio had initially tried to remove the names not only of Obama, but
also the names of Republican Party presidential nominee John McCain and
Socialist Workersâ€™ Party candidate Roger Calero from appearing
on the Nov. 4 general election ballot in his home state of New Jersey.
McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone when it was a U.S. possession.
Calero would be ineligible to be president because he was born in
Nicaragua.
After his efforts were unsuccessful in the New Jersey court system, he
decided to take his case to a higher level.
According to Supreme Court documents, on Nov. 3, Donofrio submitted his
application for a stay pending the filing and disposition of a petition
for a writ of certiorari questioning Obamaâ€™s citizenship to
Justice Souter. Souter received the documents because he is the
presiding justice of the Third U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which
includes New Jersey.
On Nov. 6, Souter denied the stay. Donofrio, following the rules of the
procedure for the Supreme Court, re-submitted the application as an
emergency stay in accordance to Rule 22, which states, in part, that an
emergency stay can be given to another justice, which is the choice of
the petitioner.  Donofrioâ€™s choice was Thomas. He submitted
the emergency stay to Thomasâ€™s office on Nov. 14.
Thomas took the application on Nov. 19 and on that day submitted it for
consideration by his eight colleagues - known as a conference - and
scheduled it for Dec. 5.
On Nov. 26, a supplemental brief was filed by Donofrio to the
clerkâ€™s office of the Supreme Court. A letter to the court
explaining the reason for the emergency stay was filed on Dec. 1 at the
clerkâ€™s office.
Filing the application with Thomas was unusual, experts say, because by
custom, when a justice rejects a petition from his own circuit, the
matter is dead.
Thomasâ€™ referral of the petition, however, was less
extraordinary.
â€œIt is not common, but it does happen,â€ said Susan
Bloch, a Georgetown University Law professor and author of {Supreme
Court Politics: The Institution and its Procedures}. â€œGenerally,
the justices do what the first justice does.â€
Conjecture has arisen over Thomasâ€™ action, however, since he
could have denied Donofrioâ€™s request.
Trevor Morrison, a constitutional law professor at Columbia University
School of Law, suggested that Thomas may have been seeking an end to the
matter.
"My guess would be that Thomas referred the case to the conference so
that the full Court can deny it. If Thomas denied the application on his
own, then Donofrio would be free to go to the other justices for their
consideration,â€ Morrison said.
â€œThis way,â€ the law professor continued, â€œthe
matter would be done with. Applications of this sort are hardly ever
granted."
The AFRO reached out to Justice Thomas, but, traditionally, justices do
not respond to media queries, according to a spokesman from the Supreme
Court Public Information Office.
To put Donofrioâ€™s emergency stay on the oral argument docket
takes a simple majority of five justices. Because it is an emergency by
design, the argument would take place within days.
Donofrio wants the court to order the Electoral College to postpone its
Dec. 15 proceedings until it rules on Obamaâ€™s eligibility. He is
using the 2000 case {Bush vs. Gore} case as precedent, arguing that it
is of such compelling national interest that it should be given priority
over other cases on the courtâ€™s docket.
â€œThe same conditions apply here,â€ Donofrio said in his
letter to the court, â€œas the clock is ticking down to Dec. 15,
the day for the Electoral College to meet.â€
Audrey Singer, a senior fellow at Washingtonâ€™s Brookings
Institution, who is an expert on immigration, said that the Donofrio
matter is â€œgoing nowhere.â€
â€œThere is no way that anyone can argue about whether Barack
Obama is a citizen,â€ Singer said. â€œIn this country, we
have a system known as jus soli or birthright by citizenship. You are a
citizen by being born on American soil and he (Obama) was born in
Hawaii.â€
Singer said that Donofrioâ€™s argument that Obamaâ€™s father
was a Kenyan national does not matter because citizenship is not based
on parentage, but on where someone was born.  â€œThis is the
issue that some people have with illegal aliens in our country,â€
she said. â€œChildren of illegal aliens, if they are born in the
United States, are U.S. citizens. That is in the U.S.
Constitution.â€
â€œYou are a citizen by being born on American soil and he (Obama)
was born in Hawaii.â€
Jerome Barron, a law professor at the George Washington University Law
School, said in his mind, the issue is clear what a natural born citizen
is.
â€œA natural born citizen is one who was born within the United
States and its territories and possessions,â€ Barron said.
â€œIt is someone who is born under the American flag. I have
raised three kids in the District and it is not a state, but I can
assume they can run for president.â€
Bloch, who teaches a seminar on the Supreme Court, said that to the best
of her knowledge, the Supreme Court has not ruled on what is â€œa
natural-born citizen.â€
Donofrioâ€™s suit is one of many challenges to Obamaâ€™s
eligibility.
Last spring, the Obama campaign sought to end the controversy when it
released his actual Hawaii birth certificate. In an Oct. 31 statement,
the director of Hawaiiâ€™s Department of Health further buttressed

Obamaâ€™s claim, saying he had personally seen and verified that
the state has â€œObamaâ€™s original birth certificate on
record,â€ which shows that he was born there.

Update - Obama Eligibility Challenged:

A decision on whether the Supreme Court will grant a hearing questioning
the eligibility of Barack Obama to become the 44th president of the
United States because of concerns regarding his U.S. citizenship, in the
case of Donofrio vs. Wells, will not be issued by the U.S. Supreme Court
until Dec. 8, according to a court spokeswoman. The Donofrio case was
not one of the two cases granted a hearing on Dec.5.


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Recent Comments
Singer is dead wrong. In order to be President of the US or Vice
President. ONLY these two positions in the USA require that the person
running for the office has to be a Natural born citizen. Not every
American citizen even if born in this country is a "natural" born
citizen. Anchor babies would be considered Native born as they were born
to two parents who are not citizens of the USA. Obama had one parent who
was foreign born who also gave Obama dual citizenship to Kenya (British
Colony at the time) which made Obama a British and American Citizen.
According to Donofrio, even if Obama was born in HI this makes him
ineligible as he is not a Natural born citizen. His dad would have had
to be a citizen of USA for him to qualify.
From: joan K
12/3/2008 9:06:31 PM
Mr. Wright, Respectfully, there are a few points in your article that
are not correct. First, if you read Mr. Donofrioâ€™s comments on
naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com, you will see that this matter was
referred to conference by the full court. Second, Mr. Donofrio has
stated that he did not submit a writ of certiorari. That would be
governed by different court rules than his â€œemergency stay
applicationâ€. See
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/confirmed-by-scotus-donofrio-v-wells-was-distributed-for-conference-of-december-5-2008-by-the-full-united-states-supreme-court/
Third, Audrey Singer may be an immigration expert, but clearly she has
not read the entire filing. Donofrioâ€™s complaint against the New
Jersey Secretary of State is not about citizenship through immigration.
It is about eligibility for the Office of the President. Our
Constitution clearly states that eligibility to hold the position of
President of the United States is different from mere citizenship.
Natural born citizenship at the time of birth is not only the location,
but having no allegiance to another country or jurisdiction. Anyway,
thatâ€™s all explained in Donofrioâ€™s articles at
naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com and links found there to previously
posted articles. Thank you.
From: T V
12/3/2008 9:45:01 PM
Nice work, wonder why this is not in the other papers.
From: L L
12/3/2008 10:19:06 PM
Big difference between a citizen & a natural born citizen. You must be a
natural born citzen to hold the office of the President of the United
States. Singer knows that.
From: Max J
12/3/2008 10:23:59 PM
I have been following this issue very closely and I believe this it one
of the best written articles available on the topic. One minor
correction, it is not whether or not Barack Obama is a citizen, this is
not the Constitutional requirement. The Constitution requires a
Presidents to be a "natural born citizen." This is not a status one can
obtain, but must be born with. The framers wanted to ensure that
Presidents did not have duel and compelling loyalties. Thank you for
including this even handed fact based article in your publication!
From: Jody B
12/4/2008 2:36:50 AM
This story is appalling for its inaccuracy. Donofrio, like Berg before
him, has filed a petition for a writ of certiorari. That petition will
be considered in the normal course of the court's action on Friday,
December 5, but there is nothing unusual abut this, and the odds of
Donfrio or Berg winning their writ are about 1 in 80. The issue that is
presented her is invented by the journalists, who if they checked with
competent counsel would have been told this is bunk.
From: westsidedavid s
12/4/2008 5:02:33 AM
Mr. Wright, sir, your article is perhaps the most accurate I've seen to
date on the upcoming court case. With one small, but VERY significant
difference. Donofrio is NOT challenging Obama's Citizen Status. Obama IS
a US Citizen. But because his father was a British Citizen with Obama
was born, Obama is a Citizen, but not a NATURAL BORN Citizen, even being
born in Hawaii. Please consult Vols 7 & 8 of the Foreign Affairs Manuals
and it'll make sense. Also, pls visit Mr Donofrio's blog -- he explains
it VERY well there:
http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/article/29871.html?OBAMA+ADMITS+HE+WAS+BRITISH+CITIZEN+AT+BIRTH+-+AS+SUCH+OBAMA+IS+NOT+A+NATURAL+BORN+CITIZEN+OF+US
Regards,
From: Robert R
12/4/2008 3:11:52 AM
Thanks for getting us an objective story on this issue. Thomas is a fine
justice and protector of our rights. It is in good hands. Singer however
should have done some research. The Constitution is quite clear that the
office of President requires one to be a "Natural Born Citizen" not just
a "Citizen". That is not an immigration issue.
From: s d
12/4/2008 6:08:02 AM
I disagree with the so-called experts that say this is going nowhere.
Donofrio has a very strong case where no precedent has ever been set.
These are in fact the types of cases SCOTUS loves to consider. Also,
conveniently the writer did not mention the other 17 lawsuits that are
working their way through various levels of state and federal courts or
the fact that at least 2-3 more are also on the SCOTUS docket. Hang on
folks, it looks like there are some fireworks ahead for this country.
From: FreeAmerica 5
12/4/2008 7:49:37 AM
With all due respect to Ms. Singer, she has obviously not read the
details of the case nor the the arguments made is the case. Donofrio is
NOT challenging Obama's CITIZENSHIP. He is challenging the NATURAL BORN
CITIZEN status of Obama, McCain and Calero (socialist party candidate).
And Donofrio asks that the Supreme Court answer the question of what
constitutes a "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" as provided in Article II of the
Constitution. Neither Congress nor the courts have ever clarified the
question. IN FACT, Donofrio points out that he believes Obama IS a
CITIZEN . . . but because his Father was a British subject at the time
of birth, Barack Jr thus has/had dual loyalties and cannot be a 'natural
born citizen'. In a nutshell that is what the case is about. It has
NOTHING TO DO WITH Obama's birth certificate.
From: John F
12/4/2008 8:53:14 AM
This is really sad. Just another baseless attempt to try and prevent the
"best" hope and positive this country has seen in a long time truly help
lead our country back to a strong standing around the world. Shame on
you Justice Thomas...Shame....
From: Tamika J
12/4/2008 9:33:46 AM
Unfortunately, native born and citizen are not necessarily synonymous. A
native born citizen is the only type of citizen eligible for the
presidency. Once can be a citizen and hold any other office, but one
must be native born and a citizen to be the president. Schwarzenegger is
a citizen, but not native born....he therefore cannot be president. The
argument is that Obama had dual citizenship American/British citizenship
at birth, therefore was born with dual loyalties and was subject to
American and British law. A natural born citizen is born under the
jurisdiction of only American law. (Children of people who are citizens
or naturalized citizens do not have dual loyalties, it is argued)
Children with two foreign born parents, who are born in the United
States are citizens, only if their parents are not ambassadors of a
foreign country or are not engaged in hostilities against this country
at the time of their birth. The question is: Does Barack Obama having
been born with dual citizenship, qualify as native born, since his
father was never naturalized and had never relinquished his loyalty to
Britain and Kenya? Is his mother's ability to transmit citizenship
enough, given that she was under the age of transmission of citizenship
(five years past the age of 14) at the time of Obama's birth? Does this
matter, since we have already had a president whose father was a
Canadian citizen when he was born? Finally, who decides if a
Presidential candidate meets this test? Congress? When does Congress
determine this? By what law? There is no current law or legal mechanism
in place for Congress to do so. It is a test that has never been before
the Supreme Court or before Congress. Will the Supreme Court force the
issue by saying Berg has standing to bring this case? Will they make a
ruling on who does have the stature to bring this case? Or will they let
the findings of the lower courts stand?
From: Vanessa M
12/4/2008 9:34:16 AM
Uncle Tom!!!!!!!
From: Vanessa T
12/4/2008 9:40:10 AM
There are a few factual errors in this story. Please check the 'simple
majority of five justices' statement. The rules state that only 4
justices need to agree to hearing the case, not a majority of 5. Also,
the question has been raised because of the 1961 laws on the books in
Hawaii that grant a parent the right to gain a "Certification of Live
Birth" for the state of Hawaii (which is the only document Obama has
ever presented as proof of his US Birth) even when the child has been
born in another state or foreign country. Laying the speculation to rest
would be simple if Obama would simply present his long form vault copy
of his birth certificate, which he says in his autobiography that he has
and which John McCain presented during the campaign. But he refuses to
do so. Instead, he's spent somewhere between half and 3 quarters of a
million dollars defending against releasing it. If Obama was truly born
in Hawaii, he could end this right now. So why won't he?
From: Lilly P
12/4/2008 9:55:31 AM
White racist painted brown. Who is the nut job and why is he on the
Supreme Courta? Well, actually it's easy to see why: to make the white
racists seem less so when he does their work. What a lap dog!
From: basementfrog f
12/4/2008 10:00:21 AM
Ventage clarence thomas!
From: Art B
12/4/2008 10:20:46 AM
This is a slap in the face of the millions of Americans who worked,
canvassed, voted and love our president-elect Barack Obama. Hawaii is
the birthplace of Barack Obama his mother is an American born in Kansas,
whose family moved to Hawaii. Don't we have other more serious things
for the Supreme Court to rule one? Is this a valid case?
From: Judy A
12/4/2008 10:23:14 AM
Some of you may accept the document posted on Obama's website as a valid
birth certificate, but I assure you numerous citizen do not! If Obama
has nothing to hide, then why cause all is records sealed, including a
birth certificate that was supposed to be on file in Hawaii. The state
never said they could certify it; only that one was on file; one can
file any birth certificate from any place. Do not depend upon factcheck!
From: Scarlete J
12/4/2008 10:23:16 AM
The issue of concern is not that he is the son of a foreigner, but that
he has not shown that he was actually born in Hawaii. The certificate
the Obama campaign has apparently provided to the media demonstrates a
birth registered with the state of Hawaii, not one IN the state of
Hawaii. That being said, I hope he demonstrates his place of birth,
thereby establishes that he is indeed a natural born citizen and
proceeds to do a great job in office. He has the potential to be a great
President and we need one.
From: Joe P
12/4/2008 10:28:07 AM
This is a very factual article. I saw one mistake in that only 4 judges
need to agree to hear oral arguments and not a majority of 5. The
article could have spent more time on the difference between a "Natural
Born Citizen" and anchor babies. Most of the founding father's were born
on U.S. soil and they recognized that they themselves were not "Natural
Born Citizens" hence the grandfather clause in article II. Overall best
article I've read on the subject to date.
From: TJ F
12/4/2008 10:36:05 AM
This article isn't clear. The constitution, as most people understand
it, stipulates that one must be born on US soil to be eligible. Obama
was. His Father was not. I don't understand what loophole Donofrio is
attempting to use here because there is no case as far as I can see.
Please explain.
From: T J
12/4/2008 12:45:47 PM
Dual citizenship? How amazing. Are you kidding me? You have illegal
immigrants who cross the boarder all the time, give birth in the US and
their children are automatic US citizens. And then we have Barack who's
mother WAS actually a legal and natural citizen, (grandparents too I'm
sure) born in Hawaii, USA and now he's a dual citizen. Wow! Can't get
any better than that! And this Jigga Boo as Negro Clearence Thomas,
Negro please...
From: Teena B
12/4/2008 1:35:46 PM
Clarence Thomas has been a disgrace to the judiciary since he was
appointed. He is not qualified to be a justice of the peace much less
the supreme court. He never asks any questions during court procedings
and votes with Scalia 99.9% of the time. Now, he chooses to waste any
capital he may have on this ridiculous effort. A very serious man
indeed.
From: charlie c
12/4/2008 1:36:59 PM
The issue is not whether he is a U.S. Citizen its whether he is a
'NATURAL BORN' citizens. This issue keeps getting clouded, whther that
is purposeful or not, I'll leave up to you.
From: Miss T
12/4/2008 1:38:50 PM
Singer's comment is totally insane. Obama himself has said he is a born
dual citizen: UK-US. And singer is also wrong about the children of
illegal aliens. While it's correct that they are citizens of the US due
to their birth on US soil, they are NOT citizens under the 14th
Amendment, but by statute, if one of their parents' subjection under
foreign jurisdiction is relevant for the child. In any case they are NOT
"natural born citizens". And Donofrio claims that you can't be a
"natural born citizen" and become President, if you were under dual
jurisdiction at birth. Singer an expert? LOL.
From: John R
12/4/2008 1:39:09 PM
Is it for certain that Obama was born in Hawaii? Has anyone seen the
original certificate of live birth?
From: Jimmy G
12/4/2008 2:35:18 PM
Singer is not looking at this in context of the Presidency. A child of
illegal aliens may indeed be a US CITIZEN - but look at the case law -
can that child become a U.S. Senator? YES. Can he or she become the U.S.
president? No. Unless they are born to two U.S. Citizens on U.S. soil or
on U.S. Territory they are not natural born - the pre-requisite for the
Presidency.
From: Susan R
12/4/2008 2:49:46 PM
Clarence, why don't you just come out and say it. You are jealous. Pick
yourself up by YOUR bootstraps and take a hike. You couldn't be Barach
on your BEST day!
From: Kimberly C
12/4/2008 2:54:53 PM
The preponderance of evidence is such as to warrant an investigation.
From: Jay C
12/4/2008 3:26:15 PM
This is a very nicely written piece. While I am sure the writer has a
position, it is not obvious by his writing. Not much sensationalism here
and I am happy for the lessons about the judicial branch that I have
garnered. The unfortunate result of anything about Justice Thomas is
that they are usually made by his detractors. The more popular websites
will not be so kind in their reporting of this particular topic. Nice
website, though, I hope you get more hits in the future.
From: Victor J
12/4/2008 6:16:20 PM
From the Supreme Court itself: "If a Justice acts alone to deny an
application, a petitioner may reapply to any other Justice of his or her
choice, and theoretically can continue until a majority of the Court has
denied the application. In practice, applications usually are referred
to the full Court by the second Justice to avoid such a prolonged
procedure." Source: A REPORTERâ€™S GUIDE TO APPLICATIONS Pending
Before The Supreme Court of the United States
From: Helpful C
12/4/2008 7:04:11 PM
This is one of the most intelligent articles I have read on this issue,
and trust me, I have read them all. I'm going to email this to everyone
I know. Thank you! -white older female who wholeheartedly voted for
Obama
From: Judi M
12/4/2008 7:20:44 PM
The article is incorrect in stating that the State of Hawaii has
confirmed that Obama is a natural born citizen. They have only stated
that they have his birth certificate on file. Hawaii issues birth
certificate for citizens born on foreign soil of parent of a U.S.
Citizen. Until the birth certificate is reviewed by the courts, we will
not know what the birth certificate says about Obama's being able to met
the requirements of a "Natural Born Citizen."
From: James B
12/4/2008 7:46:25 PM
C.Thomas is a uncle Tom, and your upset that your not president every
one who supported him will still stand behind their vote. The PEOPLE
have spoken,we choose him as our president. He was a citizen when he ran
for the senate seat in Chi-Town, he is still a citizen now that he is
our first African American president. So Uncle Tom just get ready to
release that seat to someon who cares about the real citizens of the
U.S.
From: Nikki W
12/4/2008 8:42:45 PM
Here we go again everyone! What is inside quotations and what is not is
part of this whole problem that is being dealt with now. We add our
opinions and try to state the whole thing as fact. I say, "B.S."
From: James T
12/4/2008 8:59:16 PM
The article is incorret in saying that the official of Hawaii has said
Obama is a U.S. Citizen. They have only stated that they have his birth
certificate. The state will issue a birth certificate for childrern born
in a foreign country of U.S. Citizens. Thus, it is possible that Obama
was born in Kenya. Also, the U.S. Constitution requires the president to
be a "natural born" citizen. It is questionable that Obama meets that
criteria.
From: James B
12/4/2008 9:06:48 PM
Your writers should do their homework. The question has nothing to do
with his father being a Kenyan national. It is only about whether or not
Obama was truly born in Hawaii. There is an interesting set of
circumstances and it is peculiar that Obama hasn't come out and quashed
all the discourse which he could easily do by providing his true birth
certificate from Hawaii
From: John M
12/4/2008 9:27:14 PM
There are many other thIngs Justice Thomas should focus on such as
women's rights and making sure he never violates them. This attitude,
like what has gone on for the last 8 years, causes unnecessary time
wasting dialogues about issues that no one, except those so insulated
from reality and want to find something to complain about, want to throw
in the face of those who are trying to move forward. I think of the
Anita Hill case every time I see or hear about Justice Thomas, and I
feel let down by our justice system as well as a great deal of disgust.
From: ED G
12/5/2008 2:31:35 AM
This attorney's claim is totally bogus. The country has voted - Obama is
a natural born citizen. GET OVER IT!
From: Shelley J
12/5/2008 4:39:31 AM
his grandmother says she was their when he was born in kenya
From: bill a
12/5/2008 7:57:58 AM
The question is: Is the birth certificate shown on television that was
produced by Obam legitimate. If it is then the discrepencies on it are
being ignored. The real qyestion is why can't the file be opened to have
the one that is refused access by the governor of Hawaii? This smells
like fraud and Justices Thomas is bringing the wrong question before the
other justices for consideration. It's a slamb dunck that the court will
determine that who the father or mother is is irrelevant and where he
was born determines citizenship.With that question determined the case
will be closed in favor of Obama, but the proof of the real birth
certificate will never be allowed to be determined. Case closed ...
although there will always be a doubt in the left open in the history
books.
From: Joseph K
12/5/2008 8:46:44 AM
There is also a question of whether Obama was ACTUALLY born in Hawaii.
The document on the Obama website was a COLB (Certificate of Live Birth)
not a Birth Certificate.. the two are mutually exclusive. a BC is a
legal document, a COLB is not. You can't use a COLB in place of a BC as
proof. At the time Obama was born, it was common practice for foreign
born children of a US parent or parents to be registered as being born
in Hawaii because the law allowed it. A Hawaiian COLB may be issued, but
a BC could be from a foreign country. Obama HAS NOT presented his
original vault Birth Certificate! Taking the word of the Hawaiian Gov.
office is NOT sufficient. We need to see this document in the open, and
THIS is what the lawsuits are about. In the meantime, Obama's
grandmother has stated she was present at his birth in Kenya, and their
is an affidavit to this effect. You need to be less one-sided and be
honest about the facts. If an African-American becomes president by
subterfuge that voids the Constitution, this cheats the legitimacy of a
true African-American President.
From: Steve B
12/5/2008 9:11:54 AM
You are incorrect in your last statement; "saying he had personally seen
and verified that the state has"Obama's original birth certificate on
record" which shows that he was born there." This is the problem. We do
not know what the original birth certificate says and no one from the
Hawaii Department of Health has said what is on that original birth
certificate. You are completely misleading to say "which shows that he
was born there". This is why someone of impartial authority needs to
verify what is recorded on the birth certificate because it is Hawaiian
law that even a foreign born child can be given an Hawaiian Birth
Certificate if the mother of said child claimed Hawaii as her place of
residence for one year before the birth. Why not release the original
birth certificate? Got something to hide?
From: David B
12/5/2008 10:46:26 AM
He did not release his "actual Hawaii birth certificate". He posted a
(possibly altered) Certification of Live Birth. The State of Hawaii
distinguishes between the two itself, when it posts the requirement for
claiming homestead land. See:
http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl It's all in the
section titled Primary Documents.
From: Peter C
12/5/2008 11:49:27 AM
Obama was born in Kenya, and if he can prove otherwise, whip out the
REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE MR. OBAMA??? Otherwise, STEP DOWN!!!!
From: Rose G
12/5/2008 12:48:07 PM
The Justices routinely get refiled Applications that have been denied by
a prior justice. Just as routinely they deny them. Almost just as
routinely they refer them to the whole Court so that the matter can be
put to rest. Justice Thomas, the Court's most brilliant jurist, did
nothing out of the ordinary by making the referral
From: James H
12/5/2008 2:23:12 PM
That isn't in the US constitution Singer.
From: h h
12/5/2008 2:58:37 PM
They would take this up when they wouldn't touch the suit protesting the
fact that Cheney and Bush were from the same state! Cheney had a
homestead exemption in Texas and hadn't lived in Wyoming in years. That
was against the Constituion.
From: carolyn G
12/5/2008 3:12:09 PM
It is amazing the extent to which so many reporters have such little
knowledge about Obama's birth certificate issue. Obama DID NOT release
his actual birth certificate to anyone. NO ONE has seen it, because
Obama refuses to make it available. Obama did post an "alleged" copy of
his certification of live birth on his website. In Hawaii, a
certification of live birth IS NOT a birth certificate, and fails to
contain important information about the person. Please get your facts
straight before you write these articles.
From: Fred J
12/5/2008 3:15:37 PM
LOL. You bent the facts big time. Your Obama luv shines bright.
From: Dee K
12/5/2008 4:20:15 PM
Did they decide whether or not to hear this case? Myspace rumors say
they didn't announce it. Do you have any updates? Great article by the
way!
From: 2 2
12/5/2008 4:28:15 PM
Singer and others are misinformed. The issue is not about whether Obama
is a "citizen", but whether he is a "natural-born citizen". This latter
is an eligibility requirement for the presidency, and is currently the
subject of over a dozen lawsuits. This is not something to be dismissed
with ill-informed speculation. Leo Donofrio's case is today before
review with the US Supreme Court. Here is the essence of his case.
Please note that the case has nothing whatever to do with the birth
certificate issue, nor with the place where Obama was born. That is the
subject of the other lawsuits, but Donofrio's is different. Donofrio's
case rests on the observation that Obama's situation and the situation
of the Founders/Framers are very similar. In fact, for the purposes of
presidential eligibility, they are identical under law. Let me tell you
a little story. In order to get themselves qualified to serve as
presidents back in the 18th century, the Framers had to add an Amendment
to the germane Article of the Constitution which they themselves had
penned some five years earlier in 1790, which is the famous "grandfather
clause" which provides an exception for "those born before the writing
of the Constitution". Clearly, since Obama was not born before 1790,
this doesn't help him, and he is definitively barred from being eligible
for the selfsame reason that the Framers were barred until they wrote in
that little clause for themselves. Got that?
From: Andrew P
12/5/2008

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