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TOPIC: BAALBECK, LEBANON
Baalbek,
Lebanon is one of the great mysteries of history and provides evidence
of a past super civilization or, at least, a technically advanced
civilization of “prehistory.” The stone blocks of the platform are the
world’s biggest building blocks. The platform and big courtyard are
retained by three walls containing twenty-seven limestone blocks,
unequaled in size anywhere in the world, as they all weigh in excess of
300 metric tons. Three of the blocks, however, weigh more than 800 tons
each. This block trio is world-renowned as the "Trilithon". This photo taken in 1870s shows the tremendous size of the blocks with a man standing near the bottom left on the hill to compare the size of the stones. The smaller upper stones of Roman date are haphazardly placed on top to form a medieval fortress. Scholar Zecharia Sitchen claims early Sumerian writings
depict the vast platform at Baalbek was a marvel of technology and was
built as landing place of the shuttlecraft of the ancient astronauts or
Anunnaki. It had been built before the flood in pre-Duluvian times. The
Anunnaki (those who from heaven came) came in groups of fifty with the
mission to obtain gold apparently to save their planet. Our own science and engineering today cannot explain them; let alone what their function was. It would seem some unknown culture could move these great stones, place them on top of others, in perfect fit and alignment, before the dawn of our most ancient cultures. Their style is identical to the earliest cultures of monumental stone we know of like the Egyptian Giza Pyramid, Malta, and the Pre-Incan Peru cultures. Perfectly cut, though smaller, stones were found. The megaliths were not designed as the foundation of the original building, but were meant to be the top. Why? What for? The much later stones of the Roman temple can be seen built behind and on top of them. This evolution in stonework is remarkable. From the small Roman and Turkish blocks, we go further down to monumental blocks identical with our earliest cultures. Yet lower than this, we come not to primitive mud bricks or shanty-hut foundations, but to the greatest stones ever worked by man. At the southern entrance of town is a quarry where the stones used in the temples were cut.
A
huge block with 28 people shown is considered the largest hewn stone in
the world, still sits where it was cut thousands of years ago. Called
the "Stone of the Pregnant Woman", it is 21.5m x 4.8m x
4.2 meters in size and weighs an estimated 1,000 tons. Greek historians wrote about Baalbek as early as 336 B.C. describing that Alexander the Great had moved his Army past Baalbek after defeating the Babylonians on his way to conquer Egypt. Interestingly UFOs were also reported in the sky with red lights in the shape of baskets moving extremely fast. They noted ruins dedicated to the Phoenician sun god Baal were found... The significance of Baalbek is its huge raised platform comprised of stone blocks of enormous weight and size. Historians were told at the time that the stone platform was the oldest on Earth. It’s thought to have survived the great flood some 13,000 years ago. The original ruins may have been built by Akkadians some of the first civilizations on Earth. The Akkadian Empire reached its peak during this time and King Naram-Suen (2291-2255 BC) aggrandized his kingly titles accordingly, calling himself King of the Universe. His name, both contemporary and subsequent to his reign, was prefixed with a star, denoting that he was a god. The Akkadian Empire stretched from the Mediterranean Sea to Iran The Akkadian Empire fell around 2200 BC, the same time as the decline of the Old Kingdom of Egypt, the Indus Valley in Pakistan, and the Early Bronze civilizations of Palestine, Greece and Crete. It is estimated that a severe drought had been responsible for the decline of these civilizations, and new evidence from the Gulf of Oman has surfaced that it had the worst dry spell in 10,000 years and that it lasted for 300 years. Although there is still no proof that it was the direct cause of the empire's fall, there's a good chance it was a litigating factor. King Naram-Suen's Victory over the LullubiThe Egyptians are known to have conquered the Beka Valley city and fortress in the 9th Century B.C. in an area known as Heliopolis. The Egyptians built temples to their sun god Ra on the ancient platform. They are not clumsy artifacts, crude and compromised cuts like Stonehenge. They are perfectly fitted 1,000 ton stones forming a foundation not even a huge Roman temple could encompass. Baalbek’s location is in Lebanese mountains, about sixty kilometers from the Mediterranean Sea coast at 34º latitude and 36º longitude. It was the center burial region in the midst of thousands of rock cut tombs. When Augustus, emperor of Rome had conquered the region in 27 BC, he
ordered that the massive obelisk towering above others at the Karnak
temple in Egypt be brought to Rome, but the effort was aborted, when the
trophy proved too heavy. Sources give varying estimates of its weight,
from 323 tons to 455 tons. Lavishing great architecture on Baalbek then
seems totally out of character for the undeniably selfish Rome, which
had at the very same time been stealing historic treasures from other
countries, such as the obelisks from Egypt. It makes more sense that Baalbek had something no other place could offer, not even the city of Rome, the heart of the empire. This something may also be the reason why so many people wished to be buried there. Rumors claimed this was where the Gods came to Earth. It is apparent the huge stones in the retaining wall (platform of the
Baalbek temple site clearly look a lot more eroded than the bona fide
Roman ruins of the Temple of Jupiter, as well as those of the other two
Roman temples also on the site. Therefore, the heavily eroded blocks
should be much older. One of the Trilithon foundation stones can be seen in
bottom of this view of Jupiter’s Temple.
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AFTER THE WAR - 2006
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Lebanon is
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Bashar al-Assad,
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Hezbollah, Israel swap corpses on Lebanon border |
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Prisoner swap July 16, 2008 Kuntar vows to continue his 'resistance' against Israel |
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Prisoner swap reopens wounds on all sidesSoldiers' families hope for end to 'nightmare' as exchange between Israel, Hezbollah set to take place today |
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Can Resolution 1701 last much longer? By Michael Young Daily Star staff Thursday, July 17, 2008 So, Israel's defense minister, Ehud Barak, is now saying that United Nations Security Council Resolution 1701 is dead. It's not absolutely dead, but Israel's reluctance to facilitate a solution in the Shebaa Farms area, like its willingness to conclude a grand prisoner bargain with Hizbullah that handed the party a fine victory, will certainly help dismantle what remains of the security framework set up after the summer 2006 war. There are two Lebanese approaches for dealing with Israel today. There is the one advocated publicly by Prime Minister Fouad Siniora and MP Walid Jumblatt that calls for a return to the 1949 Armistice Agreement. Then there is Hizbullah's proposal, which is to pursue an open-ended armed struggle against Israel. Siniora wants to see the Shebaa Farms neutralized as a space of confrontation; Hizbullah has said that whatever solution is found in the farms area, the resistance will continue. Israel's actions have bolstered those who support the second option, in the same way that its inflexibility on releasing Palestinian prisoners has bolstered those Palestinians who argue that the best way to resolve that issue is to kidnap or kill Israelis, then haggle over them or their body parts. The Hizbullah-Israel swap on Wednesday was surrounded by substantial hypocrisy. March 14 and Siniora lustily applauded an exchange that they knew was to their disadvantage. Jumblatt, faced with Samir Kontar's release, decided it was best to co-opt the released prisoner as best he could, because he had no alternative as paramount Druze leader but to welcome his coreligionist, but also to avoid Kontar's being used against him politically by Hizbullah. However, in the Sunni and Christian neighborhoods, as in the Druze mountains, few danced in the "national wedding" that Hizbullah celebrated. Many could plainly see that what the party had gained, they had lost. Who can blame them, coming only two days after Bashar Assad was the darling of Paris - thanks to the efforts of the former Lebanese minister Michel Samaha, who handled the media aspect of Assad's trip, and to the French government, so indecently eager to wipe the Syrian president's slate clean. To the narcissistic Nicolas Sarkozy, a man willing to trade in the essential for the limelight, it was also a good weekend. He may not have gotten a single serious concession out of Assad, but at least he showed he was different than Jacques Chirac, an obsession of his, by trashing the former president's diplomatic achievements in Lebanon. After the fanfare in Paris, the Syrians quietly explained that an exchange of embassies between Beirut and Damascus might actually take more time than expected. In Assad's meeting with President Michel Sleiman, the Syrian president didn't even mention delimiting the Syrian-Lebanese border. The reality is that the Assad regime has not budged one iota in its policy toward Lebanon since 2005. Indeed, it has very likely not given up on physically returning its army to the country, even if this is more difficult than it sounds, and those who suggest that Damascus only seeks influence in Beirut might want to consider why this is unconvincing. The Syrian regime doesn't want the Shebaa Farms imbroglio resolved because it seeks to tie in any settlement over the Golan Heights to one in Lebanon. Without this linkage, Syria fears that a prior solution on the Lebanese track would block Hizbullah's ability to attack Israel from South Lebanon, which Syria wishes to use as leverage in its negotiations over the Golan. But for Syria to have real control of the Hizbullah card - an essential ingredient in strengthening its credibility in talks with Israel - it must also prove that it has the means to restrain the party. And Assad can only do that if his army is physically present in Lebanon. |
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Why would Hizbullah go along with this? Because it understands that such a strategy allows it to undermine Resolution 1701, which is also a Syrian priority. But also because a renewed Syrian military presence in Lebanon would shield Hizbullah against that majority of Lebanese that seeks its disarmament. In addition, the party's leadership is wagering that Syria is more interested in a process of negotiation with Israel than in a final settlement; and, most tellingly, Hizbullah seems confident that, even if a final settlement does eventually come, Syria will not have the military capability, let alone the will, to stifle the resistance. How will the UN respond to defend Resolution 1701? Let's try not to laugh. France knows very well that Syria has violated all UN resolutions on Lebanon since 2004, particularly Resolution 1701. The French also happen to provide an important contingent to UNIFIL, which is there to implement Resolution 1701, a contingent with large Leclerc tanks that will occasionally fire shells into the empty sea. But Syrian behavior hasn't prevented Sarkozy from obstinately pursuing Assad. If you were Syria or Hizbullah, therefore, would you fear a French reaction, or that of other European states, to your efforts to emasculate UN resolutions? Even in the halls of the European Parliament, Hizbullah's weight is being felt. An effort by some European parliamentarians to encourage the European Union to place Hizbullah on its terrorism list is now being actively opposed by Socialist representatives. Two of them recently sent out an e-mail to their comrades urging them not to vote in favor of the decision, as the issue was "sensitive" and the European Parliament "has stressed the importance to find a political solution on the Lebanese internal conflict and the agreement between all the Lebanese political parties, including Hezbollah, has been considered as a positive step." What the e-mail did not say is that the European contingents in Lebanon are now hostages to Syria and Hizbullah rather than enforcers of the Security Council's writ. The UN needs an open channel to Hizbullah, which is why many in Europe oppose the terrorism designation. But with Israel doing everything it can to strengthen Syria's hand in Lebanon, and indirectly that of Hizbullah; with the collapse of the European position on Lebanese sovereignty and UN resolutions; and with the US utterly absent from Lebanon as its presidential election nears, we have to be realistic. The independence intifada is over and Syria has entered a new phase in its effort to re-create in Lebanon what it was made to surrender in 2005. Michael Young is opinion editor of THE DAILY STAR. |
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Extended Deployment for Korean Troops
in Lebanon
7-16-08 The Korean troops have been working with the United Nations for the reconstruction of the war-ravaged Middle Eastern country for nearly a year among other civil-military missions. The UN requested the Korean government for more contribution to its peacekeeping operations due to the nation's economic success. Arirang News |
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WE ARE SUPPORTING BOTH SIDES AS USUAL
US Central Command officer visits Lebanon, announces new funding Daily Star staff Wednesday, July 16, 2008 BEIRUT: Major General Robert R. Allardice, director of strategy, plans and policy for the US military's Central Command visited Lebanon July 13 through July 15, a statement issued by the US Embassy said Tuesday. Bill Grant, the embassy's deputy chief of mission, and Allardice met with the Lebanese Armed Forces (LAF) command officers during the visit. Allardice and Grant also announced that the US government has increased its support to the LAF by $32.5 million. "The overall goal of US
military assistance to Lebanon is to strengthen the LAF and increase its
capacity to defend Lebanon's borders," the embassy statement claimed.
The statement added that the United States was committed to building the capabilities of the LAF "and it will continue to support the government of Lebanon and the LAF as they continue their efforts to safeguard the peace, unity and sovereignty of Lebanon." "With this new funding
allocation, total US support for the LAF since 2006 exceeds $410
million," the embassy statement said. - The
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2 Killed, 7 Wounded in Baalbek Shootout
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Excerpted from the Washington Times - July 1, 2008 When the rogue Khomeini regime returned to Iran from Paris and eventually took over the U.S. Embassy in Tehran in November 1979, the Carter administration had basically no intelligence on the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini or the radical fundamentalist agenda. President Carter viewed Khomeini as a religious man who had to be better than the shah of Iran, even though the shah represented the cornerstone of our Persian Gulf security policy. The conventional wisdom then in the Carter administration was that the one institution that would survive the regime change in Iran would be the military. We could use our close relationship with the Iranian military leadership to build a new relationship with the Khomeini regime. In fact, President Carter in January 1979 sent Gen. Robert Huyser, deputy commander in chief of the United States European Command as his personal envoy to intercede with the Iranian military leadership not to interfere with the regime change. This sophomoric analysis abruptly halted when the Khomeini regime put a bullet into the back of the head of the Iranian military leadership. At the time of our embassy takeover, our military options were somewhat limited, but we certainly had the capability to capture and hold Kharg Island, Iran's main fuel export depot, which would have given us leverage in freeing our diplomats and retaking our embassy. During the Reagan administration, certain key players still did not understand the extent of the radical Islamic fundamentalist agenda. Some still thought it to be more a law enforcement than a military problem. The U.S. Marine barracks bombing in Beirut Oct. 23, 1983, never had to happen. The National Security Agency (NSA) had the information almost four weeks before the attack that the Iranian Ambassador in Damascus, Ali Akbar Mohtashamipoor, acting on orders received from the Foreign Ministry, called in the leader of the Islamic Amal (which later evolved into Hezbollah) and gave him instructions to concentrate his attacks on the Multi-National Force (MNF), but to take a "spectacular" action against the U.S. Marines. As deputy chief of naval operations, I never got to see that message until two days after the attack. By way of background, the Islamic Amal had taken over the Lebanese Army barracks above Baalbeck on Sept. 16, 1983. Had we a pro-active, pre-emptive strategy in place, the Islamic Amal could have been eliminated prior to the bombing. Of course other options could also have been implemented. Iran has continued to wage war against the United States by using proxies for the last 29 years. Since November 1979, we have failed to attack the problem. We have let Iran continue their war against the United States with impunity. Iran proper has been a sanctuary. Our combat forces in Iraq and Afghanistan are combating Shi'ite militia that are funded, trained and armed by Iran. Compounding the problem are the weapons and ammunitions the Chinese provide Iran that are then passed to the Shi'ite militias in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan. Surface-to-air missiles (Manpads of Chinese origin), Chinese-made large-caliber sniper rifles, rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs) and improvised explosive devices (IEDs) that have been so deadly to our troops have been convoyed from Iran into Iraq and to the Taliban in Afghanistan. China's objectives are quite clear - keep the U.S. bogged down in the Middle East while they expand their objectives and influence in the Western Pacific. The limited economic sanctions imposed by the United Nations, the European Union and the United States have not had any significant impact on changing Iran's behavior or their drive to achieve a nuclear weapon capability. Most recently, Ali Larijani, the speaker of Iran's parliament, warned that Iran is prepared to take drastic steps and unspecified moves that the West would regret in response to economic, political and military pressure being brought against Iran. However, one economic sanction that could convey the seriousness of the United Nations and European Union would be to deny Iranian airline access to Europe because they are unsafe and do not meet ICAO standards. Other international carriers could curtail their flights to Iran as part of this sanction. I believe we have reached a point where the U.S. needs to make its position quite clear. We need to declare that: • Any attack against U.S. Naval forces will be viewed as an attack against the continental United States and the full force of our military capabilities will be brought to bear. • Unless there is an immediate cessation to train, arm and supplying various weapons, including IEDs, to Iraq Shi'ite militias and the Taliban, then those training facilities, weapon factories including the IED factory, will be subject to attack. This could be part of an all-inclusive attack to eliminate their missile and nuclear complexes. Underpinning the above actions would be a declaration of a U.S. pro-active, pre-emptive strategy to defeat radical Islamic fundamentalist terrorism. It is based on the premise that you cannot wait until the terrorist strike. Obviously, we have to have the intelligence to prevent the cowardly act from happening. It is unconscionable that we have tolerated a declaration of war by Iran against the United States for the last 29 years, which has given rise to the radical fundamentalist terrorism we face today. This is not the legacy we want to leave for our future generations. James Lyons, U.S. Navy retired admiral, was commander in chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet, senior U.S. military representative to the United Nations, and deputy chief of naval operations, where he was principal adviser on all Joint Chiefs of Staff matters. |
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Lebanon MP : We don't trust Hezbollah !
Published: Wednesday, 18 June, 2008 @ 10:18 PM in Beirut Beirut- MP Jamal Jarrah said Hezbollah should withdraw all its heavy weapons and gunmen from the hills of the eastern Bekaa so that clashes would not break out anew in the Saadnayel-Taanayel area.
"Despite the lack of confidence we stretched our hand anew through the Lebanese army that had promised us to supervise reconciliation," Jarah said. "But if aggressions persisted and if they maintained, just maintained and not used, their heavy weapons in the hills of Saadnayel and Taalabaya and if they maintained the deployment of a large number of gunmen brought in from other areas, friction would renew and tension would persist," he added. Jarrah said "we were very clear with the army. We informed the army that there is no need for such heavy weapons in the hills." He accused Hezbollah of "deceiving the army. They had told the army that heavy weapons and gunmen had been fully pulled out, but it was evident that this is not true." Jarrah warned that the "citizens of Saadnayel and Taalabaya would not be left alone (if attacked by Hezbollah once again). Citizens of the central, western and even northern Bekaa would rush to their aid." That, according to the Mustaqbal Bloc member, would expose "Hezbollah's role in a Syrian intelligence scheme to spark inter-factional clashes in the Bekaa." He explained that Hezbollah has been targeting the Saadnayel-Taalabaya sector because it commands the road that leads from its stronghold in Baalbek to south Lebanon. Jarrah emphasized that "we do not have a militia, we don't have weapons and capabilities to protect our people." "It is the army's duty and responsibility to protect the citizens. The Army Command pledged that as of Tuesday its troops would be in charge of security, and anyone who opens fire, from any side, would be punished," Jarrah said. The Clashes, according to Jarrah, were an "attempt by Hezbollah to target President Michel Suleiman's term as well as the state and its institutions. Hezbollah leader targeted the president the same day he moved to the Republican Palace." "Hezbollah has its own army and its own state and has no interest in supporting the state of Lebanon," he concluded. The Doha Accord, According to Jarrah, is made up of two chapters "The security chapter is being blocked and the political chapter that is also being blocked by obstructing the cabinet formation." Hezbollah "went to Doha not to achieve an agreement, but to blame
what had happened on the majority and then resume implementing its
scheme. But Arab and international pressures forced Hezbollah to
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TWO YEARS BREAK IN NEWS - GOOGLE NEWS ABOUT LEBANON, HEZBOLLAH, BAALBECK, AND ISRAEL |
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August 18, 2006
TRANSCRIPT: Seymour Hersh: Was Hezbollah a model for U.S. plans to bomb Iran?Submitted
by Mitch Dworkin on August 18, 2006 - 8:24am. Hello Everyone: Here is the link to Seymour Hersh's New Yorker article titled "WATCHING LEBANON, Washington’s interests in Israel’s war" from 8/14/06: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060821fa_fact Please see the CNN transcript below from 8/16/06 where Hersh claims "I know more than I did three days ago." Each person will have to decide for themselves the validity of Hersh's claims. But if they are true, the only think that can restrain Bush and Cheney from bombing Iran without sufficient diplomatic efforts is the Democrats controlling at least one branch of Congress! If Bush has a rubber stamp Congress in both branches after November, what else can stop him from bombing Iran or anyone else who he does not like without sufficient diplomacy? The use of force should be on the table BUT as a last, last, last resort until ALL possible diplomatic efforts fail and there is some kind of a serious imminent threat! Please forward this on for people to see that a vote for ANY Bush rubber stamp candidate in November is a vote for a lack of accountability which can possibly allow this to happen if Hersh is right! Mitch Dworkin http://www.securingamerica.com/
http://www.securingamerica.com/ccn/node/7191 An excellent example for all of us to follow and what we all need to be doing to help fight against extreme right wing Neocon smear propaganda which will help our local candidates to win their races!
http://securingamerica.com/webb -------------------- http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/16/acd.01.html ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES Aired August 16, 2006 - 22:00 ET BLITZER: Tonight, a bombshell accusation about the war in the Middle East. And it comes from a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist. Seymour Hersh of "The New Yorker" magazine says the White House wasn't just watching the battle unfold; it may have been helping Israel against Hezbollah. I spoke to Seymour Hersh earlier. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) BLITZER: Sy Hersh, you've written a powerful article. It's really generating a huge commotion here in the Middle East and Israel in the Arab world. For those of our viewers who haven't read it, the bottom line is what, that the United States fully not only cooperated with Israel but was in on it with Israel, the launching of this -- these air strikes against Hezbollah after July 12 when those two Israeli soldiers were kidnapped. SEYMOUR HERSH, "THE NEW YORKER": Yes. And of course, what happened happened. They were kidnapped, and that was the reason Israel went. But the reason it went so big is that there had been a lot of talk about doing something about Hezbollah in a major way for months with -- in coordination between Israel and the United States. Both air forces -- Halutz (ph) is a believer in strategic bombing and the American Air Force is a believer in strategic bombing and the Cheney office, the vice president's office, also another believer in strategic bombing. BLITZER; Here in Israel, what they're saying is -- and I got this from pretty high sources -- that yes, the Bush administration clearly from day one, July 12, supported Israel and provided Israel with military assistance, as they always do, but there was no coordination in advance. That's what they're suggesting. HERSH: Well, coordination may be too strong. But what there was, was a definite feeling by Cheney and some of this, what we call the neoconservatives, that once Israel smashed Hezbollah with -- by air, and that was the idea, hit the infrastructure first, bomb -- bomb, you know, the runways in Beirut and some of the city structures so that the population of Beirut, the Christians and the Sunnis, would turn against Hezbollah, why that would be a model for what they really think -- the only plan they have for Iran. Whether they're going to go to Iran or not, I don't know. But I do know there's intensive planning and intensive debate in the Pentagon whether or not you can take out Iran by air. So this would have been a step in the right direction. As I quote somebody saying, it was seen as a demo. BLITZER: Let me quote from the article. Because this is a major point in the piece in "The New Yorker". You write that Israel's bombing campaign -- and I'll quote here -- "also served as a prelude to a potential American preemptive attack to destroy Iran's nuclear installations, some of which are also buried deep underground." I want you to explain to our viewers what -- the point that you're trying to make, because by all accounts, the Iranians are working to build a nuclear bomb, and by all accounts, the United States, the Europeans, the rest of the world, the Russians, the Chinese, want to impose sanctions to try to convince the Iranian government not to do it. But what you're saying is that there are contingency plans to take out those sites. HERSH: Absolutely. The problem is, those sites are dug in. Iran's been digging, you know, for a dozen centuries underground, the Persians. They're dug in way underground. And one of the things our intelligence believes in terms of Hezbollah is this, Wolf. Once Syria was kicked out of Lebanon, under pressure from the United States, the U.N. and France, at that point, it was clear Hezbollah was next. So for the last 18 months, Iran has been doing an awful lot of high-level technical work with Hezbollah, teaching them how to dig deeper, teaching them how to protect, get their command and control facilities deeper. So they were a very formidable target. Iran was helping a great deal in helping Nasrallah survive. So the idea is if Hezbollah could be gotten by the air, there was a lot of things to learn by bombing Hezbollah and taking out its facilities. And you needed to know how to do it, because to turn to Iran, which is a much more formidable target, this would be an enormous asset. BLITZER: Despite all the denials coming across the board, you're sticking by your story? SEYMOUR: I know more than I did three days ago. BLITZER: The Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist Sy Hersh. Thanks very much for joining us. HERSH: Always. (END VIDEOTAPE) BLITZER: And straight ahead, what police are now looking for as they try to piece together the alleged bomb plot against U.S. airliners. » Mitch Dworkin's blog | login or register to post comments I would add that the U.S., Israel, France, Egypt, etc. should have all sorts of plans -- even attacks by little green men.
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CNN LATE EDITION WITH WOLF BLITZER Special Edition: Crisis in the Middle East Aired August 13, 2006 - 12:00 ET BLITZER: Welcome back to our special "Late Edition: Crisis in the Middle East." Did the Bush administration see the Israel- Hezbollah conflict as an opening for a U.S. strike against Iran? Joining us now from Washington is the Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and The New Yorker magazine staff writer, Seymour Hersh. He's got a major article on this subject that is just coming out. Spectacular suggestions, allegations being made by you, Sy Hersh, allegations now being formally denied by the White House, the Pentagon, the State Department. But let me read to you from your article: "According to a Middle East expert with knowledge of the current thinking of both the Israeli and the U.S. governments, Israel had devised a plan for attacking Hezbollah -- and shared it with Bush administration officials well before the July 12th kidnappings" of those two Israeli soldiers. Tell our viewers what you say you've learned because, as you know, the denials are coming in fast and furious. SEYMOUR HERSH, "NEW YORKER" MAGAZINE: Well, one thing there's no question about, that this was known what Israel was going to do, it's attack on Hezbollah, the basically using air, primarily, was known to this White House. And I will tell you also to the State Department. They both had different reasons, the State Department and White House, for wanting Israel to do it, encouraging them to do it, supporting them. Our Air Force worked very closely with the Israeli air force for months before this, not necessarily with a deadline knowing when it would happen. It was always going to be whenever there was an incident they would take advantage of an incident. The word I used was fortunate timing. When the Hezbollah grabbed some of the Israeli soldiers in early July, that was then a pretext -- I think that's the only word -- for a major offensive that had been in the works a long time. The State Department always viewed what Israel was going to do, Condi Rice and her colleagues, as a way to stabilize -- going after Hezbollah would stabilize the Lebanese government and give them a chance under 1559 to take control. The White House, I write in this article, talking about specifically about Cheney's office, sort of center for the neocons, their view was different. Israel's attack on Hezbollah was going to be sort of a model, prototype, that is, a lot of air against a dug-in underground facility. Everything in southern Lebanon that Hezbollah had was underground. For them it was going to be a test run for the bombing and the attack they really want to do, probably next year if they can. I'm not saying they've decided, but they want to go after Iran, and Iran, of course, the Persians have been dug in since, what, the 11th century so we know it's a tough call. BLITZER: Because they're saying that these Sy Hersh conspiratorial theories so far-fetched they're rejecting them out of hand, especially this notion that what the Israelis have done now in Lebanon against Hezbollah is a prelude, a test run, if you will, for what the U.S. hopes to do against Iranian targets in Iran. And I want you to explain the nature of your sources, if you can -- I know you have confidential sources -- how good these sources are that are making this spectacular accusation. HERSH: You know, when I did Abu Ghraib, the same kind of stuff was thrown at me, that I'm fantasizing, I'm a fantasizer, and I'll just put, you know -- I'm not writing from some off the wall weekly. The New Yorker is very solid. The editors of The New Yorker, my editor Dave Remnick and others know who my sources are. In many cases, they've talked to my sources. This is one of the procedures that The New Yorker -- very close fact-checking. It's not about they're denying what I'm saying. It's about what these people have said to me. These are people inside, very much inside who are very concerned about the policy. And something else that was in the story is this, is that this White House will find a way to view what happened with the Israelis against Hezbollah as a victory. And they'll find a way to see it as a positive for any planning that is going on towards Iran. I'm not saying Iran's a done deal. What I'm saying is, the idee fixe about Iran is almost as it was about in the first couple years after 9/11 in the White House as about Iraq. These guys, the president, Cheney and others, want to go. It's very much on their minds. The nuclear weapons, whether they're there or not, have existential for this White House. This president does not want to leave the White House with that problem unsolved, and so, therefore, encouraging and abetting the Israelis to go after Hezbollah, after all, you cannot attack Iran as long as Hezbollah has missiles. You have to get rid of those missiles, a potential deterrent, before you can go after Iran. That's the way they looked at it in the White House. I think it was something that really should be examined by a Congressional committee. It's sort of time to decide whether we're a democracy or not. This president's doing an awful lot of foreign policy without sharing it with the rest of us. BLITZER: Because what they're criticizing your sourcing, they're saying you're speaking to former government officials, former intelligence officers, consultants to the U.S. government. The sourcing doesn't seem to include any current officials who are intimately involved with this type of planning. HERSH: Well, it does. I mean, there are current officials talking to me, and if you read the sourcing carefully you'll see there are people, Middle East experts, you know, whether it's in or out of the government. The bottom line is, it's not a question -- you know, you and I have known each other a long time. Long of tooth we both are. I would not write something, and I understand this is going to be all over the Middle East. It is already as far as I hear. And I understand the implications of the story. All of us do. And nobody is suggesting that Israel wouldn't have done what it did without the Americans. They didn't -- Israel didn't need the White House to go after Hezbollah, but it's the idea that they got tremendous amount of support from this White House. That's the idea that -- why do you think this president has spent four and a half weeks doing nothing to get an immediate cease-fire, putting no pressure on the Israelis? It's all part of what they view as sort of a plan for what they want to do next. And it's not conspiratorial. It's simply the way... BLITZER: Sy Hersh. Sy Hersh writing in The New Yorker magazine. And appreciated coming in Sy. Always appreciate speaking with you. Thanks very much. HERSH: Great to be here. BLITZER: And to our viewers, that's it for our "Late Edition" this Sunday, August 13. Please be sure to join us again next Sunday and every Sunday at 11 a.m. Eastern. I'm also in "The Situation Room" Monday through Friday, back from Jerusalem tomorrow. Until then, thanks very much for watching. I'm Wolf Blitzer reporting. v> |
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Anderson Cooper From CNN Reports from Lebanon Strike on Hospital by Israel August 2, 2006 COOPER: And good morning from the Israel/Lebanon border. It is a
morning of lots of activity. It is just 6:00 a.m. here. The sun has just
come up. The Israeli artillery units behind me have been relatively
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ALL THIS HAPPENED IN ONE 24 HOUR
PERIOD:
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JULY WAR '06Live coverage archive: July 19 and 20. 2006 Thursday, July 20 2006> 23h30: Israel targets a small bridge in Baabda central
area, no injuries reported. Wednesday, July 19 2006> 23h03: Israeli raids continue in many Lebanese areas. >
22h55: Israeli airplanes over Baalbeck. > 22h53:
Today casualities amount to 65 killed and many more killed by
the Israeli attacks. While on the Israeli side, 74 Israeli were
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Report: IDF commandos snatched Hezbollah prisoners in
Baalbek raid
By Israel Insider staff and partners August 19, 2006
Ynet reports that the
commando unit of the super-elite Sayeret Matkal completed its
mission and returned from the Baalbek area with two Hezbollah
prisoners. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert gave a green light for the
mission, despite the risk of causing a violation of the UN
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Israeli Jets, Helicopters and Ground Forces Attack Baalbek, Hezbollah Hub in Bekaa Valley
Hostilities in the Mideast Israel's Campaign in the Gaza Strip
Interactive GraphicsBy 10:30 p.m., the Israeli attack on the city had started, with warplanes screaming in from every direction, said Mayor Muhsin al-Jammal of Baalbek. “When we heard so many planes up there, I knew what was coming would be terrifying,” he said early Wednesday during a brief respite. While the bombardment continued from the sky throughout the night and early morning, sparing few neighborhoods here, the offensive took on a second phase when Israeli soldiers began entering. One group came to an Iranian-financed hospital just outside of town, and a second group of soldiers came to Asaliya, an adjoining town, where they searched door to door and detained five people suspected of being Hezbollah members. In peacetime, Baalbek is best known for its Roman ruins and its summer festivals. But in war, it is a prime target, a strategic center for Hezbollah in the Bekaa Valley. Seven people, including two children, were killed when Israeli planes bombed a house in Jamaliye, a few miles outside Baalbek. In the house were about 50 members of an extended family who had fled the house when the jets were flying over. After the family returned, a rocket landed in the garden, one relative said. “I saw the rocket, with its tail on fire, coming at us, and there was nothing I could do,” Ali Saeed, the relative, said. “The planes must have seen people moving around and assumed we were a target.” In Baalbek, the main fighting started late Tuesday at the Dar el-Hekma hospital, run by the Imam Khomeini Islamic Charity Foundation, an Iranian foundation. Helicopters attacked the area, and then dropped about 20 Israeli soldiers. A fierce exchange broke out when a handful of Hezbollah fighters tried to keep the Israelis from entering the walled grounds. “The helicopters came low and hit all around the hospital, and when they saw limited resistance they landed,” said a man at the scene who would only give his name as Ali. The Israelis entered the hospital and were starting to leave when a larger force of Hezbollah fighters showed up and started a heavy firefight. Ali and his friends said that three fighters had been killed in the hospital battle, but a spokesman for the Israeli military said soldiers had killed at least 10 fighters there. Ali was still sweaty and shaken on Wednesday as he talked about the fight. Though he dodged questions about his role, there were signs that he had been involved. His head was scratched and bruised, and several machine guns lay in the car he had pulled up in with two other young men. He walked around the hospital and grounds, working to clear traces of the battle. “They hit a civilian institution, and there was no one even inside it,” he insisted. The men said cars belonging to Sheik Muhammad Yazbek, the personal representative of Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and a member of Hezbollah Council, had come in and out of the parking lot that evening, though the sheik himself did not come, the men said. They said they believed he was the ultimate target of the raid. By midday Wednesday, traces of the damage outside the gates of the hospital remained despite efforts to conceal them. Two burned cars remained in the parking lot after the fires had been put out, and a Peugeot pickup truck riddled with bullets was parked nearby, but piles of glass and other debris scattered throughout the parking lot suggested that several other cars had also been damaged. At the gate, a sign announcing the opening hours of the hospital appeared to have been hastily nailed up to hide pockmarks from the attack. Pins pulled from hand grenades and many pieces of shrapnel, bullet shells and even the tail of a rocket hinted at how heavy the firefight was the night before. Inside, the hospital had been virtually ransacked. Broken glass covered the floors at the main entrance, and black spots marked where stun grenades had been set off, in some cases searing Hebrew lettering into the floor. Doors into every room had been kicked in or blown open. In one room, a huge magnetic resonance imaging machine had been twisted, and furniture had been overturned in almost every room. On the first floor, nearly all the rooms had cots, suggesting that men had been sleeping there. Computers were ripped apart, their hard drives missing. Then, early Wednesday, Israeli helicopters landed in Asaliya, about eight miles away, where soldiers searched house to house, residents and Israeli officials said. The soldiers detained five men, including two members of the Bura family and a member of the Gauta family, Mr. Jammal, the mayor of Baalbek, said. Capt. Jacob Dallal, a spokesman for the Israeli Defense Forces, said soldiers had searched five houses and taken specific suspects into custody. But Mr. Jammal said the soldiers had taken only civilians, including a 15-year-old boy who was released when soldiers detained his grandfather instead. “It was clear, they hadn’t managed to win a victory in the south, so they had to come here thinking they could hit the tail of the lion,” Mr. Jammal said. “They’re trying to show that they are doing something and can actually hit Hezbollah in their home.” Related Articles
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Some reports indicate this was a special forces raid on a Hezbollah hospital in Baalbeck where an Israeli hostage may have been being held. But it’s beginning to sound bigger than that. Related Articles: |
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HEZBULLAH - (THE
PARTY OF GOD)
BY REPORTER/PRODUCER The Bekaa valley is outlaw territory, long known as a haven for terrorists, counterfeiting and drug smuggling. Syrian soldiers -- who intervened in Lebanon's civil war years ago and never left -- still dominate the region. Accompanied by a local Lebanese reporter, Hikmat Sharif, who works for Agence France-Presse, Lewis enters the town of Baalbek, a Hezbollah stronghold. Posters of Hezbollah "martyrs," or suicide bombers, line the streets of the city. A souvenir store sells videos of Hezbollah guerrillas attacking Israeli soldiers, alongside shelves of Hezbollah hats and postcards. They even market a Hezbollah scent called "perfume of the martyrs." Founded in 1982 in response to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, Hezbollah -- "Party of God" in Arabic -- based its ideology on the 1979 Iranian revolution and the teachings of Ayatollah Khomeini. Lewis spots the old castle where Iranian Revolutionary Guards came in 1981 and later trained Hezbollah recruits. He also sees where Hezbollah held Western hostages they kidnapped in the 1980s during Lebanon's long civil war. He even spots a notorious airplane hijacker who is living quietly in Baalbek. Hijackings, bombings, a brutal civil war between Christians and Muslims -- that's what Lebanon was known for in the 1970s and 1980s, especially the capital, Beirut, which was reduced to rubble. But Lewis discovers that Beirut is largely peaceful today and much restored, eager to reclaim its old reputation as "the Paris of the Middle East." He sees American fast food restaurants, fancy cafes, belly dancers, even a luxury car show hosted by Miss Lebanon and prosperous businessmen seeking to attract foreign investment. But as a tourist from Bahrain tells him, "Lebanon has no middle class. It's like India, where you can find very rich people who can afford to spend as much as you can think of, and poor who can't even afford to eat." Not far from the prosperous Westernized center of Beirut, Lewis enters the Palestinian refugee camps, where rightwing Christian militias allied with Israel once massacred hundreds of Palestinians. Here, among the poor and disenfranchised -- and in the Lebanese Shiite neighborhoods -- Hezbollah took root. Lewis manages to get into a local Hezbollah rally in honor of the Iranian revolution. Under the watchful eye of a large Ayatollah Khomeini poster, the crowd sings, "Death, death, death to Israel!" And Hezbollah's charismatic secretary-general, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, inveighs against the United States, urging his Shiite followers to resist the Americans in Iraq. America and Hezbollah have a bloody history. When the United States intervened in Lebanon's civil war, Hezbollah bombed the U.S. embassy twice and attacked a military barracks, killing 241 Marines. Some in Washington want to avenge these suicide bombings. "Hezbollah may be the A-team of terrorists and maybe Al Qaeda is actually the B-team," argues Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage. "They're on the list and their time will come. There is no question about it. They have a blood debt to us and we're not going to forget it. It's all in good time." Ironically, in Lebanon, Hezbollah has been remaking itself as a mainstream political organization. They operate a satellite television channel (Al Manar), a radio station and a Web site. They have 11 members in the Lebanese parliament. Lewis also visits a modern Hezbollah-run hospital -- "one of the best in Beirut" -- as well as one of the group's many schools. "America is a great country with a lot of good people," a Hezbollah MP, Amar Mussawi, tells Lewis. Representing the "moderate" public face of Hezbollah, Mussawi denounces the September 11 terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington. He argues that Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization, but a Lebanese resistance movement. Hezbollah is so entrenched in Lebanon's political system that few Lebanese dare to criticize it openly. But attorney and human rights activist Muhammad Mugrabi tells Lewis that Hezbollah's presence "is a recipe for trouble for Lebanon ...They are not subject to the rule of law." Hezbollah is "untouchable" because Syria -- with 20,000 troops in Lebanon -- still backs Hezbollah and holds sway over Lebanon's President Emile Lahoud. Attending Lebanon's annual independence day celebrations, Lewis discovers "a strange exercise in political theater." The public is not invited -- only political and military leaders and the press. "The parade had a make-believe quality," says Lewis. "For its closing number the band played a familiar song, the theme from Monty Python." Heading south to Lebanon's border with Israel, Lewis enters an area where the Lebanese army has little authority -- this is Hezbollah country, in which Hezbollah acts as a surrogate army for its patrons, Iran and Syria. A thin blue line of U.N. peacekeepers stands guard along the border, but here Hezbollah claims its greatest triumph -- compelling Israeli soldiers to withdraw from southern Lebanon in 2000. The border is quiet now. Syria, Iran and Hezbollah held their fire during the U.S. war in Iraq. But Hezbollah refuses to withdraw from the border. At its annual Jerusalem Day march, Hezbollah flexes its muscle, showing off its soldiers and restating its official position: Israel has no right to exist. Back in Beirut, Lewis interviews the man widely considered to be Hezbollah's spiritual advisor, Grand Ayatollah Sayeed Hassan Fadlallah, who also denounces Israel and the United States. But in an otherwise uncompromising interview, Fadlallah, at one point, seems to leave the door open for an end to the conflict with Israel. "I am sure that if Israel withdrew," Fadlallah tells Lewis, "that not a single Palestinian would commit any suicide attack." But in public, Hezbollah maintains a hardline. At another rally, Lewis hears Hezbollah's leader, Sheik Nasrallah, condemn the United States for trying to control the region and redraw the political map of the Middle East "with Israel's interests in mind." Then Lewis spots the Hezbollah member of parliament he had interviewed earlier, Amar Mussawi, and recalls that, in private conversation, Mussawi offered some small measure of hope that Hezbollah may be willing to accept a Palestinian peace settlement with Israel. But Mussawi makes clear that if the United States decides to go after Hezbollah, "Be sure that we will defend ourselves with all our might." Lebanon Photo: Becharri view with the gorge. The terrain protected the town over the ages LEBANON PHOTOS - AMAZING - SEE THEM ALL
ROMAN BATHS UNCOVERED IN BEIRUT, LEBANON The Mystery of the Stones at BaalbekBy Alan
F. Alford
Lebanese Dancers doing the Dabke
Copyright Notice Reprinted with permission Large photos added by Dee from Habeeb.com for clarity of vision. The mysterious ruins of Baalbek. One of the great Power Places of the ancient world. For thousands of years its secrets have been shrouded in darkness, or bathed in an artificial light by those who would offer us a simplistic solution to its mysteries. You are looking at the columns of the Temple of Jupiter - the grandest temple that the Romans ever built - one of the wonders of the ancient world. To this remote location in the Bekaa Valley of modern-day Lebanon, Roman emperors would travel 1,500 miles to make offerings to their gods and receive oracles on the destiny of their empire. Much has changed in two thousand years. The magnificent temple is ruined, its gods abandoned, its secrets forgotten. Even the ruins have been neglected, wiped off the tourist map by twenty years of terrorism, war, hostages and hijackings.
TEMPLE OF JUPITER IN THE EVENING MORE PHOTOS OF THE TEMPLE OF JUPITER Some archaeologists might well wish that Baalbek had been buried forever. For it is here that we find the largest dressed stone block in the world - the infamous Stone of the South, lying in its quarry just ten minutes walk from the temple acropolis. This huge stone weighs approximately 1,000 tons - almost as heavy as three Boeing 747 aircraft.[1]
Back at the temple acropolis, three stones not much smaller than this, weighing 800 tons each, have been miraculously fitted together in a wall, forming a Trilithon at a height of 20 feet. I personally seized the opportunity to visit Baalbek in May 1995, shortly after tourists began returning to the bombed-out ruins of Lebanon. This e-tour will mirror my real life tour, which climaxed at the mighty Trilithon and the Stone of the South. In due course I will attempt to provide some personal insights into the enormous scale of this construction and the motivations of its builders. First, however, I offer you the rare opportunity to see the entire Baalbek, of which the mighty Trilithon is only a part. As we progress through our e-tour, reflect on the glorious splendour that was once here and ask yourself "why here?". What was it that caused the original sanctity of this remote site? What was it that prompted the Romans to quarry, move and erect literally millions of stone blocks? We begin at the main acropolis by considering first this bird's eye view of how it might have looked in Roman times, before its fortification by the Muslims. A monumental staircase leads up to the entrance or Propylaea, beyond which we find the Hexagonal Courtyard, the Great Courtyard, the Temple of Jupiter, the smaller Temple of Bacchus, and the much smaller Temple of Venus. Note the unusual fact that the acropolis of Baalbek is not aligned to the cardinal points of the compass. The Temple of Venus can be dealt with briefly. Situated in what is now a field of rubble, its former elegance can no longer be seen, and only four of its ten columns remain standing. Being outside the fortified acropolis, this temple was swallowed up by an Arab town, to such an extent that the German Archaeological Mission had to remove five metres of debris to clear the first step of the monumental staircase at its entrance. The remains of the temple were dismantled and re-erected in the early 1930s, but they now threaten to collapse again. We now enter the main acropolis via the Propylaea - what we see here is a reconstruction by the German archaeological expedition in 1905. The original staircase was destroyed by the Arabs to fortify the site and they dismantled the 12 granite columns which they re-used for defensive purposes. Only the bases of those columns survived, and they bore inscriptions identifying their Roman origin.
Having come through the entrance, we find ourselves in the middle of the impressive Hexagonal Courtyard, which is a unique feature for a temple of this period (it may well have been a concession by the Romans to local customs and traditions). Roman inscriptions are found here in abundance, but the purpose of the Hexagonal Courtyard remains unknown. We now proceed into the Great Courtyard... We now proceed into the Great Courtyard - an immense square court, thought to have housed the statues of the pantheon of the twelve Great Gods. The photograph shows the remains of the Altar of Sacrifice. Although constructed by the Romans, it apparently supersedes a much earlier altar which was dedicated to the god Baal-Hadad, and is built over a natural crevice some 150 feet deep, at the bottom of which is a small rock-cut altar. There are few tourists around to provide a comparative scale of measurement, but such a person would in fact be no taller than the base of this altar.Behind the Altar we can see the foundation of the Great Tower, which was an even more impressive structure, 50 feet high, with two independent flights of stairs. Both the Altar and Tower were destroyed by the Christians who erected a basilica here. In 1934-5 it was decided to tear down the basilica which was hindering archaeological excavation. Only then were the ancient Altar and Tower rediscovered. The Great Tower which once stood here was not a Roman tradition, but probably a concession to local traditions of worship in 'high places'. Note the excavations to the left of this picture. The dig uncovered middle bronze age houses, from the 2nd millennium BC and evidence of earlier occupation back to 2900 BC.[2] On the other side of the Great Courtyard lies a truly monumental staircase leading up to a raised platform on which the Temple of Jupiter once stood.
This is a
biblical symbol. Were these
Romans Christians? Psalm 74:4
1We
(A)give
thanks to You, O God, we
give thanks, Zechariah 1:18-21 (New American Standard Bible)
18
Then I lifted up my eyes
and looked, and behold,
there were four horns.
NOTE: The clockwise Swastika is East-going, and positive, an ancient symbol of "good luck." In the Bible, these are the four "smiths" or "carpenters" who have thrown down the four horns that have scattered the nations. The smith/carpenter refers to the tool used by craftsmen, the right-angled square, the "L" shape. Four of them, one from each quarter, form a Swastika. In this picture we can see the bases of the now fallen columns - the bases alone are 8 feet high. If we wished, we could climb these stairs and stand in awe beneath the six remaining columns, which rise to a spectacular height of 66 feet. But the best view of these columns comes not from this angle but from the nearby Temple of Bacchus. This is the Temple of Bacchus, and it is undoubtedly the best preserved Roman temple in the world. Its 46 columns included 15 on each side and 8 on the ends, most of which are intact in this picture, although the eastern end here is clearly missing a few. The southern side of the Temple of Bacchus, in contrast, has suffered badly. Here I am setting the scale of the infamous leaning column - a tourist favourite - which was probably felled by the earthquake of 1759. This massive column, formed of three parts, stands 60 feet high including the base and the capital. Incidentally, the drums are held together by dowels made of bronze, embedded in lead.
Look ma, I am holding it up
THE TEMPLE OF BACCHUS Let's now enter the Temple of Bacchus... We now climb 33 steps to the Temple of Bacchus.
TEMPLE STAIRS
BROKEN COLUMNS ABOVE THE STAIRWAY We enter a large court with an imposing doorway 40 feet high. Note the slipped keystone which was once propped up by a crude tower of bricks, but has now been properly renovated. Proceeding through the doorway, we are surrounded by further columns and niches which once housed the pantheon of the gods. At the far end, nothing remains of the beautiful shrine which once stood against this far wall and housed the statue of the god Bacchus.
The main temple of Baalbek, however, was reserved for the chief deity himself - Iovi Optimo Maximo Heliopolitano 'Jupiter the Most High, the Most Great'. This is the view of what remains from the staircase we saw earlier. The destruction of this magnificent temple is thought to have begun with the earthquake of 526 or 551. Curiously, the chronicler Michael the Syrian records the popular belief that the temple was destroyed by fire from the sky.[3] Historians assume this is a misunderstanding and think that the fire was a consequence of the earthquake. Following that 6th century earthquake and fire, Byzantine and Arab occupants ravaged the ruins of the Temple of Jupiter, using its stone as building material elsewhere on the acropolis. Further earthquakes, such as in 1158, 1203, and 1664 increased the devastation. The last really big quake in 1759 brought down three columns, leaving only the six that we see here. The Temple was so utterly destroyed that it has never been possible to accurately reconstruct its ground plan, and little can be gleaned from visiting the site. We do know that 58 columns once graced this Temple, 19 down each side and 10 at each end, enclosing an area twice as large as the Temple of Bacchus. Each column soared to a height of 66 feet, built on a platform which was raised 26 feet higher than the surrounding buildings. Here was a building which stretched to the limit the ingenuity of man, in which ancient man literally reached out to the heavens and communicated to the gods. To imagine the pride felt by those who took part in this magnificent achievement, even down to the humblest workman, is to recognise a greatness that is rarely found in modern society.
However, as
magnificent as the
Temple of Jupiter
certainly was, it
stood on a terrace
of colossal stones
which was, and still
is, even more
impressive. If you
look carefully at
the photograph above
you will see me, 6
foot one inch in
height, standing on
a block which
measures
approximately 33 by
14 by 10 feet, and
weighing an
incredible 300 tons.
There are nine such
blocks visible in
this wall.
The Climax of Baalbek
It is now time to
experience the
climax of Baalbek,
and this requires
retracing our steps
to the entrance, and
skirting around the
outer walls of the
acropolis. On the
way we see the stark
contrast between
more 300-ton
megaliths and the
much smaller
fortifications of
the Arabs.
At
last we turn a
corner and see, in
the western
(strictly
south-western) wall
of the platform, the
great Trilithon.
The Trilithon is
the lighter-coloured
course in the wall
and comprises three
granite stones
beautifully fitted
together at a height
of 20 feet above
present ground
level.
The angle of this
photograph -
compromised by the
fence and woods
which now obstruct
the view of this
wall, hardly does
justice to the huge
size of these
blocks, which are 14
feet 6 inches in
height, 12 feet
thick, and a
staggering 64 feet
in length (on
average).
These three stones are slightly smaller than the Stone of the South, which we saw earlier, and are estimated to weigh approximately 800 tons each. Now feast your eyes once again on the awesome 1000-ton Stone of the South, which weighs approximately as much as three Boeing 747 aircraft:
Give your
imagination a little
exercise by mentally
trimming this 1,000
ton megalith into an
800-ton block - that
is four fifths of
this size - and now,
keeping that image
in your mind, take
another look at
three such stones in
the Trilithon. Can
it be true? Are
these stones really
there? Yes, sir. I
have seen it with my
own eyes.
The locals call this the 'Miracle of the Three Stones'. I, on the other hand, prefer to call it 'the Archaeologist's Nightmare', for our minds immediately begin to reel with questions - who built this megalithic wall, when did they build it, how did they build it, and, more importantly, why did they build it in the way that they did? This is one of the most amazing sights in the ancient world - the three 800-ton blocks of the mighty Trilithon (the lighter-coloured course), situated in a wall of the great acropolis of Baalbek in Lebanon. Michel Alouf, the former curator of the ruins, once wrote of the Trilithon:
'... in spite
of their immense
size, they [the
Trilithon stones]
are so accurately
placed in position
and so carefully
joined, that it is
almost impossible to
insert a needle
between them. No
description will
give an exact idea
of the bewildering
and stupefying
effect of these
tremendous blocks on
the spectator'.
[4]
Analysis of the Baalbek PlatformObserve in the above photograph the impressive platform of stones which underpins the Trilithon. Each of these stone blocks (the fifth visible layer of the wall) measures 33 by 14 by 10 feet and thus, according to my calculations, weighs approximately 300 tons. Note the outward tapering of these blocks. In my view this was once the platform's uppermost layer, with the Trilithon being a later addition. Observe, too, the supporting layers beneath the 300-ton blocks - at least four layers of carefully constructed smaller stones. Now look closely at the adjoining wall, i.e. the south-eastern wall of the acropolis.
Here we see another row of 300-ton megaliths, measuring 33 feet in length and 14 feet in height. This layer of megaliths is quite ill-matched; some blocks are tapered, others are not, and the cut of the tapering does not match, even on adjacent blocks. It is as if this south-eastern side of the platform (perhaps the uppermost layer of the original platform) has at one time sustained serious damage and been subsequently reconstructed. The significant fact, which is not readily apparent without a visit to Baalbek, is this: the rows of 300-ton blocks in the adjoining south-western and south-eastern walls are at exactly the same level - in other words, the Trilithon layer rises above any of the other megalithic stones and does not form part of a level terrace. This fact has led me to a conclusion which is shared by some conventional researchers - that the Baalbek platform as it stands is incomplete, perhaps being part of an unfinished defensive wall. Such
a conclusion is
supported by the Stone
of the South, which is
still attached to the
rocky floor of the
quarry. Whilst it is
possible that the block
was considered faulty,
it is perhaps more
likely that the Stone of
the South was abandoned
when the project as a
whole was suddenly
cancelled. How was Baalbek built?This view from the quarry shows that the distance to the Baalbek acropolis is not huge - no more than a third of a mile. Nor is the elevation very different between the two points. Although we do not know the topography of the site at the time the wall was constructed, it does seem feasible that the stones might have been dragged up a ramp to the position where they now lie. Theoretically, then, the lifting of the stones would have been limited only to positional adjustments. Nevertheless, when we consider the size and weight of the Baalbek stones and the fact that the route to the acropolis is not entirely flat, transportation via non-technological means would have presented the builders with formidable problems. So, how was the job done? How were three 800-ton stones cut, moved and erected in the Baalbek acropolis? This is a question which must be tackled with great caution, for it is not at all clear who the builders of Baalbek actually were. If you ask an archaeologist, he will tell you that the Romans built the temples of Baalbek and he or she might well point out that there are work gang inscriptions which date the construction of the Temple of Jupiter to the 1st century ad, i.e. to the Roman era. The archaeologist might also point out to you that the Romans did know how to move and lift heavy stones; after all, we know that they transported a large number of multi-hundred ton obelisks to Rome from Egypt, and that was no mean feat two thousand years ago. The archaeologist will thus suppose that the platform of Baalbek, on which the Roman temples stand, must also belong to the Roman era. And he or she will thus explain the construction of the Trilithon by reciting what is known about Roman construction techniques. Thus the explanation involves the erection of the Trilithon by push-and-shove methods, with the Romans probably using nothing more than wooden rollers, ropes, wooden lifting frames and human muscle power. Archaeologists typically overlook the fact that experiments with stones much lighter than 800 tons have crushed the wooden rollers. And even if such a method was feasible, it would, by one estimate, have required the combined pulling power of 40,000 men to move the Stone of the South.[5] Incredible indeed. Is there any evidence that the Romans built the platform of Baalbek as well as the temples upon it? One text book assures us that: 'Part of a [Roman] drum or column similar to those found in the Temple of Jupiter was used as a block in the foundation under the Trilithon'.[6] But where is the evidence for this Roman drum? I myself have been to Baalbek and I can show you dozens of photographs of the foundation walls, but I cannot show you the alleged Roman drum. It seems to have vanished into thin air. A good counter argument lies in the fact that the Baalbek platform is out of all proportion to the temples which stand upon it, being thus suggestive of two different phases in construction.[7] This same observation was made by Professor Daniel Krencker of the German archaeological mission, although it led him to the conclusion that the Temple of Jupiter was originally planned on the same colossal scale as these foundations.[8] In other words, Krencker believed that the Roman builders must have had a change of mind. (How many times have we heard this before? Call me a sceptic but it seems to me that 'a change of mind' is archaeologist-speak for anything which the archaeologist cannot comprehend!) In the absence of any proof as to who built the platform of Baalbek, it becomes very difficult to draw any firm conclusions as to the construction methods used. What we can do, however, is demonstrate the scale of the job by explaining how the Trilithon would be erected using today's technology. The Baldwins ChallengeIn 1996, I posed the problem of the Baalbek stones to Baldwins Industrial Services - one of the leading crane hire companies in Britain. I asked them how they might attempt to move the 1,000-ton Stone of the South and place it at the same height as the Trilithon. Although it is sometimes claimed that modern cranes cannot lift stones as heavy as 800-tons,[9] this is actually incorrect. Bob MacGrain, the Technical Director of Baldwins, confirmed that there were several mobile cranes that could lift and place the 1,000-ton stone on a support structure 20 feet high. Baldwins themselves operate a 1,200 ton capacity Gottwald AK912 strut jib crane,[10] whilst other companies operate cranes which can lift 2,000 tons. Unfortunately, however, these cranes do not have the capability to actually move whilst carrying such heavy loads. How, then, might we transport the Stone of the South to the Baalbek acropolis? Baldwins suggested two possibilities. The first would use a 1,000-ton capacity crane fitted with crawler tracks. The disadvantage of this method would be the need for massive ground preparation works - to provide a solid, level roadway for the crane to move. The alternative to a crane would be a series of modular hydraulic trailers, combined to create a massive load carrying platform. These trailers raise and lower their loads using hydraulic cylinders built into their suspension. The initial lift at the quarry would be achieved by the use of a cut-out section beneath the stone, which the trailer would drive into. The final positioning in the wall, at a height of 20 feet, would be achieved by using an earth ramp. This is all very interesting, and gives us some feel for the scale of the engineering challenge, but there is, of course, one slight problem with the Baldwins scenario, namely that none of this twentieth century technology was supposedly available when Baalbek was built.
The Puzzle of BaalbekHere is a fascinating question. Why did the builders of the Trilithon struggle with 800-ton weights when it would hatones rather than a cumbersome 800-tonner? According to my engineer-friends, it was very risky to use 800-ton blocks in the way seen at Baalbek. This is because any vertical defects running lengthwise through the stone might have led to a critical structural weakness. In contrast, a similar fault in a smaller block would not have affected the overall construction. Either the builder was incompetent and just plain lucky or he was competent and supremely confident in his materials. Whichever way we look at it, however, it makes no sense to imagine tens of thousands of men struggling to move and erect three of these monstrous 800-ton stones. So the question is "why did they not split the stones?".
One possible
answer to this
puzzle is that the
builders moved the
stones in huge sizes
simply because they
could. In other
words, it might have
been the case that,
with a high
technology
available, the
builders found it
more expeditious to
cut and move one
large stone rather
than several smaller
ones. This
presupposes the kind
of high-tech 'lost
civilisation' which
has been mooted by
writers such as
Bauval, Hancock and
West, or the more
plausible 'lost
race' as advocated
by myself in 'The
Phoenix Solution'
(1998).[11]
Large stone. It is amazing how they ancients moved such stones to build the temples The Megalomaniac TheoryWhat possible motive could there have been for the Romans to drag three shapeless stone blocks, weighing 800-tons each, and place them into the wall of a structure in a remote region of the Roman empire? Here is a possible scenario. Let us imagine that the distant Roman empire wished to stamp its authority on one of the most sacred sites of the Near East. Let's say an instruction was issued from the central bureaucracy to erect the world's largest temple. An over-zealous Roman governor at Baalbek then conceived a temple plan on an unimaginable scale and ordered the local people to comply. Thousands of workers were drafted in from all around the Bekaa Valley. Then, as the platform neared completion, even bigger stones were dragged to the site. The workers became exhausted, time and resources became a problem, and the megalithic layer was abandoned. A new official then arrived and blew the whistle, stopped the brutality and brought a sense of realism to the enterprise; the order was thus given for a massive down-grading of the yet-to-be-built temples. This is a purely hypothetical and imaginative scenario, and there is a problem with it, because there is no historical evidence for it. Where, for example, is the record of a megalomaniac Roman governor at Baalbek? Surely such a man would have been notorious for one of the greatest acts of folly ever witnessed. And yet we find no recollection of this mad dictator among the Romans and no recollection where we would most expect to find it - in the legends of the local people... The Local Legends of BaalbekCuriously, it would seem that not one Roman emperor ever claimed credit for the Baalbek temple complex or for the construction of its massive foundations.[12] Similarly, we find no evidence for Roman construction among the local people. What we do find instead are legends which suggest that Baalbek was built by super-human powers in an epoch long before human civilisation began. The Arabs believed that Baalbek once belonged to the legendary Nimrod, who ruled this area of Lebanon. According to an Arabic manuscript, Nimrod sent giants to rebuild Baalbek after the Flood. Another legend states that Nimrod rebelled against Yahweh and built the Tower of Babel here, in order to ascend to Heaven and attack his God. According to one version of this legend, Nimrod ascended to the top of the Tower but found himself as far from his objective (Heaven) as when he had begun; after the Tower collapsed, Nimrod attempted to scale the heavens in a carriage drawn by four strong birds, but the carriage, after wandering for a long time in space, eventually crashed on Mount Hermon, thus killing Nimrod. Earlier in this tale, Nimrod had been visited by Abraham, who came as a messenger of God to warn Nimrod of punishment for his sins. But Nimrod, vexed by these threats, had cast Abraham into a blazing furnace (from which the latter somehow emerged unscathed).[13] The local Muslims believed that it was beyond the capability of humans to move the enormous stones of Baalbek. Instead of giants, however, they credited the work to demons or djinn. Muslim tradition states that Baalbek was once the home of Abraham, and later of Solomon. It is also suggested that the prophet Elijah was taken into Heaven from Baalbek - upon a steed of fire.[14] Other legends associated Baalbek with the Biblical figure of Cain - the son of Adam - claiming that he built it as a refuge after his god Yahweh had cursed him. According to Estfan Doweihi, the Maronite Patriarch of Lebanon: 'Tradition states that the fortress of Baalbek... is the most ancient building in the world. Cain, the son of Adam, built it in the year 133 of the creation, during a fit of raving madness. He gave it the name of his son Enoch and peopled it with giants who were punished for their iniquities by the flood.'[15]
Modern Theories of BaalbekFew modern writers have dared to tackle the enigma of Baalbek, perhaps because Lebanon was off-limits to tourists during the troubled decades at the close of the second millennium. One writer to take an interest is Andrew Collins, whose articles suggest the possibility that Baalbek was some kind of astronomical observatory.[16] The best known 'alternative' theory, however, is that of ancient astronaut writer Zecharia Sitchin, who asserted that Baalbek was a space centre, built by a visiting race of 'Anunnaki' gods as a launching pad for their space rockets.[17] An intriguing aspect of Sitchin's theory was the connection between Baalbek-Heliopolis - the City of the Sun - and the ancient legend of the Sun-god who used to park his chariot at Baalbek. This rather appealing theory is, however, sunk (in my mind at least) by the revelations in my book 'When The Gods Came Down' (April 2000). In this book I revealed that the Sun-god and the Anunnaki had nothing whatsoever to do with ancient astronauts.[18] To close with an amusing anecdote, the prize for the most imaginative theory of Baalbek must undoubtedly be awarded to the English traveller, David Urquhart, who suggested that the builders of Baalbek had used mastodons - huge extinct elephant-like mammals - as mobile cranes to help them move the stones![19]
ConclusionsWhy did successive Roman emperors travel thousands of miles to Baalbek to receive oracles? Why did the Romans build the grandest of all their temples so far away from Rome? What motivated them to ship red granite columns all the way from Aswan in Egypt to the port of Tripoli, and from there to Baalbek via Homs, a detour which, in order to circumnavigate the mountains, required a journey of 200 kilometres? This was certainly a most inconvenient place to erect the greatest Roman temple in the world, so why did it have to happen here, in the Bekaa Valley, of all places? If we can answer this question, we can perhaps solve the mystery of Baalbek. As one authority on Baalbek commented, however, 'nowhere is it clearly stated to what cause the religious importance of this town is attributed'.[20] Ultimately, one suspects that the answer to the sanctity of Baalbek lies in a decoding of its ancient religion, for it is religion which has been the driving force at Baalbek since time immemorial. The sanctity of Baalbek in Roman times has already been mentioned and one's attention is drawn inevitably to the trinity of gods who were worshipped here: Venus, Bacchus and the mighty Jupiter. The latter - equivalent to the Greek god Zeus - embodied all the symbolism of the archetypal Storm God. The fifth century writer Macrobius described the statue of Jupiter as follows:
'The statue of
the god is of gold,
representing a
person without a
beard, who holds in
his right hand a
whip,
charioteer-like, and
in his left a
thunderbolt with
ears of corn.'
[21]
What was the meaning of this Storm-God with thunderbolt? To modern scholars, Jupiter was a god of thunder and lightning and nothing but thunder and lightning. If modern scholars are to be believed, our quest for religious meaning at Baalbek culminates anti-climactically in the primitive worship of mundane weather-gods. However, readers of my book 'When The Gods Came Down' will recognise in the statue described by Macrobius a crucial esoteric meaning in the connection between the thunderbolt and the 'ears of corn'. Furthermore, it should be noted that the Roman gods are only part of the answer to the sanctity of Baalbek, for the town was in fact named after Baal, the Storm-God of the Canaanites/Phoenicians. And the legends of the god Baal provide numerous fascinating parallels to the gods of the ancient Mesopotamian exploded planet cults (as decoded in my books). Indeed, my own private research suggests that the Canaanite/Phoenician religion could itself be described as an exploded planet cult. Inevitably, then, we must ask whether the importance of Baalbek might have resulted from a celestial event - perhaps the impact of a meteorite - during the pre-literate era. Might a meteorite be the key to the importance of Baalbek - the northern 'Heliopolis' - just as the meteorite called 'the Benben Stone' was the key to the importance of Annu - the southern 'Heliopolis' in ancient Egypt? And what about those gigantic stones in the Trilithon? Were they constructed deliberately, perhaps to evoke the idea of the meteorites - the giant seeds of life - lying embedded in the foundations (or Womb) of Mother Earth? Or were they simply the remains of an unfinished defensive wall? Perhaps we will never know the answer to this question or to the question of how the stones of the Trilithon were moved. The problem is that everyone sees at Baalbek what they want to see, based on their own preconceptions and their own paradigm. Perhaps it will always be so. One final thought to close. If the mysterious stones of Baalbek are impelling us to exercise our minds, then perhaps the ancient builders are partly achieving their objectives. But in order for us to pass, as initiates, the Test of the Trilithon, it is necessary for us to do something more than merely exercise our minds. It is necessary first to challenge everything that we have ever been taught about the meaning and origins of religion...
Detail of the famous
Lion's Head. The Lion's
Head is in the front of
the Temple of Jupiter Lion Head close up - you can see right into his mouth!
How long would it take to carve stone like this?
Footnotes
[1] A Boeing 747
aircraft weighs in at
337,840 kg.
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by Alan Alford The megalithic structures found at many sites around the world have generated endless controversy as to how they were built. Conventional archaeologists, who dismiss the possibility of highly advanced civilizations in the remote past, insist that they were built solely with the use of primitive tools and brute force. Some of the structures, or parts of them, could have been built in this way. However, a number of engineers have stated that some features would be difficult if not impossible to duplicate today, even using the most advanced technology. The sheer weight and size of some of the stone blocks have prompted several researchers to wonder whether the ancient builders had mastered some form of levitation technology.* *The acoustic and magnetic levitation techniques currently under development by mainstream scientists create a physical lifting force stronger than the force of gravity and do not modify gravity or generate an antigravitational force. The pre-Incan fortresses at Ollantaytambo and Sacsayhuaman in the Peruvian Andes consist of cyclopean walls constructed from tight-fitting polygonal stone blocks, some weighing 120 tonnes or more. The blocks used at Ollantaytambo were somehow transported from a quarry located on another mountaintop 11 km away, the descent from which was impeded by a river canyon with 305-metre vertical rock walls. The ruins of Tiahuanaco (Tiwanaku) near Lake Titicaca in Bolivia include blocks weighing around 100 tonnes, which were transported from quarries 50 km away. 1 According to the local Aymara Indians, the complex was built at the ‘beginning of time’ by the founder-god Viracocha and his followers, who caused the stones to be ‘carried through the air to the sound of a trumpet’. An alternative theme is that they created a ‘heavenly fire’ that consumed the stones and enabled large blocks to be lifted by hand ‘as if they were cork’. According to a Mayan legend, the temple complex of Uxmal in the Yucatan Peninsula was built by a race of dwarfs who were able to move heavy rocks into place by whistling.2 Legends of occult power being employed to lift and transport stone blocks are in fact universal. For example, according to tradition the megalithic city of Nan Madol on the Micronesian island of Pohnpei was built by the god-kings Olosopa and Olosipa, who used magic spells to make the huge stones ‘fly through the air like birds’. 3 Legends about the huge stone statues or moai on Easter Island, many of which are as high as a three-storey building, tell how magicians or priests used mana, or mind power, to make them ‘walk’, or float through the air.4 According to early Greek historians, the walls of the ancient city of Thebes were built by Amphion, a son of Jupiter, who moved the large stones ‘to the music of his harp’ while his ‘songs drew even stones and beasts after him’. Another version claims that when he played ‘loud and clear on his golden lyre, rock twice as large followed in his footsteps’. The 10th-century Arab historian Mas’di wrote that, to build the pyramids, the ancient Egyptians inserted papyri inscribed with certain characters beneath the stone blocks; they were then struck by an instrument, producing a sound which caused them to rise into the air and travel for a distance of over 86 metres.5 The achievements of the ancient Egyptian builders have caused even some fairly orthodox investigators to wonder whether levitation might have been employed. 6 For instance the roof of the King’s Chamber in the Great Pyramid, 200 feet up, consists of huge granite beams weighing up to 70 tonnes. What’s more, the major temples on the Giza plateau – the two next to the Sphinx and those besides the Second and Third Pyramids – contain colossal limestone blocks weighing between 50 and 200 tonnes and placed on top of one another. The largest are 9 metres long, 3.6 metres wide and 3.6 metres high. It is interesting to note that there are only a few cranes in the world today capable of lifting objects weighing 200 tonnes or more.7 The largest blocks used in any known man-made structure are found in the ancient platform beneath the Roman Temple of Jupiter at Baalbek in Lebanon. 8 The foundation platform is enclosed by a cyclopean retaining wall; in the western side, on the fifth level, at a height of 10 metres, there are three colossal stones known as the Trilithon, each measuring about 19.5 metres long, 4.5 metres high and 3.5 metres deep, and weighing a staggering 1000 tonnes. The stones fit together perfectly and not even a knife blade can be pushed between them. At the quarry, half a kilometre away, there remains a fourth, even larger block, weighing as much as 1200 tonnes, the lower part of its base still attached to the bedrock. The course beneath the Trilithon contains seven mammoth stones weighing about 450 tonnes each. There are no traces of a roadbed leading from the quarry and no traces of any ramp. Nor are there any written records as to how the platform was built. According to local Arab legend, Baalbek’s first citadel was built before the Flood, and rebuilt afterwards by a race of giants. The Phoenician historian Sanchoniatho stated that Lebanon’s first city was Byblos, founded by the god Ouranus, who designed cyclopean structures and was able to make stones move as if they had a life of their own. Fig. 5.1 The massive Trilithon at Baalbek.9 (The silhouetted two-storey house has been inserted for scale.) Fig. 5.2 Another view of the Trilithon.
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Transcript of Seymour Hersh on Hardball from Monday, Aug. 14:
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on August 18, 2006 - 12:37pm.
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'Hardball with Chris Matthews' for August 14
Read the transcript to the Monday show
Updated: 10:37 a.m. CT Aug 15, 2006
Guests: Seymour Hersh, Mike Barnicle, Michael Smerconish
MATTHEWS: We go now to the man who started the big fight this week, “New Yorker” investigative reporter Seymour Hersh, who has a big report, as I said, in this issue of the magazine, “New Yorker” magazine. Here it is, a great quote from it. I think this is a pretty good nut for the whole story.
“President Bush and Vice President Cheney were convinced, current and former intelligence officials and diplomatic officials told me, that a successful Israeli Air Force bombings campaign against Hezbollah‘s heavily-fortified underground missile and command and control complexes in Lebanon could ease Israel‘s security concerns, and also serve as a prelude to a potential American, preemptive attack to destroy Iran‘s nuclear installations, some of which are also buried deep underground.”
How sound are you, Sy, on the fact that we‘re planning to go into Iran with an attack on their nuclear facilities?
SEYMOUR HERSH, “NEW YORKER” INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Well, we‘ve been planning this for a year. I mean, there‘s been a fight. I‘ve been writing about it in the “New Yorker” in previous articles. There‘s been a internecine warfare between the Air Force—the American Air Force says we can do it. Strategic bombings can work in Iran.
And, you know, the Iranians have been digging holes for what, eight, nine centuries now. And they‘re deeply buried underground. Most of the—the suspected facilities. We‘re not sure where anything is. We really don‘t know.
MATTHEWS: But these are like the pyramids. These are way down, right?
HERSH: Seventy-five feet under rock.
MATTHEWS: What kind of a bunker buster would you have to use, and how many people would that kill?
HERSH: Well, you know, one of the early thoughts was something attack a nuke, of course. That was ruled out only after the Joint Chiefs protested personally.
MATTHEWS: What‘s our biggest conventional bomb?
HERSH: Five thousand pounder, and we‘ve got a—well, the ones they‘re talking about, that there are bunker busters that are 5,000 pound bombs that the Israelis know quite a bit about. So what happens ...
MATTHEWS: Is that what Israel was asking for last week in the “New York Times”? They leaked something. Somebody leaked. That may be political. They put it in the “New York Times.” They are having trouble getting it from us. I assume somebody was facing some static in getting them the weapon they wanted. I don‘t know what happened.
HERSH: I don‘t know that part of it. I know that Israel has—knows much more about these kind of bombs than we think we have do and we started working with them. What happened is the Air Force plan got into a lot of heat over there.
The Army, the Marine Corps, and the Navy said are you kidding?
Strategic bombing doesn‘t work. Look at Chakano (ph) in Iran—and Iraq.
We‘re going to end up putting boots on the ground and we don‘t have them.
MATTHEWS: Who says that bombing Iran would stop their nuclear production? Who says that? The Air Force?
HERSH: The Air Force pushes it hard.
MATTHEWS: Because they‘re trying to sell a weapons system?
HERSH: Well, because they believe in strategic bombing. You know, bomb them back to the Stone Age, Curtis LeMay. That‘s ...
MATTHEWS: Did that work in the Second World War?
HERSH: Of course not. Studies show that ...
MATTHEWS: Hitler was still fighting when the Soviets got to his bunker.
HERSH: He made more tanks in ‘44 than he did in the previous years after intensive bombings of all the wars that he did. But, nonetheless, you know, McNamara, by the way, Robert McNamara was one of the leaders of the study—the strategic study after World War II, and he, of course, pushed for bombing in Vietnam. Everybody wants to bomb.
MATTHEWS: It doesn‘t work. So Curtis LeMay didn‘t know what he was doing?
HERSH: No, he was a pretty good officer.
MATTHEWS: But he wasn‘t right about this?
HERSH: You know what he said? He said at one point—and I think in February of 1945 -- I actually spent a lot of time looking at this. And he said, “I‘m out of targets, I can‘t bomb anything, I‘ve leveled everything and they‘re still fighting.”
MATTHEWS: In Vietnam.
HERSH: No, Curtis LeMay in 1944 in World War II. His point was that even though we had been bombing everything with B-29s—you know, once we got control over the islands, you know, at Okinawa we got some bases, we could hit Japan. In—three months before, five months before the war that he was out of targets, but the Japanese kept on resisting.
MATTHEWS: Let me ask you about this, because it‘s so critical to the next two years. We‘re not going to have a presidential election for a couple of years now. We won‘t have an election for more than two years. It‘ll begin to be the process by the end of next year.
It looks like we‘ll have a primary up in—we‘ll have a caucus in Iowa probably by this time next year, practically. But we‘re stuck with this president for better or worse. He‘s our leader. Do you believe he wants to bomb Iran before he leaves?
HERSH: Absolutely. No, I should say this. I believe that he does not want to leave his office with Iran still posing a threat. I believe he sees a nuclear arm, Iran as an existential threat to his policies, the policies of Israel, the whole notion he has of making the Middle East, turning it into a democracy, which he still holds onto. I do believe that, and as part, one of the options ...
MATTHEWS: Does he—let me cut you off here, because we always conflate these issues. Does he see Iran as a regional threat to countries who are on our side, like Israel and the other so many Arab countries, or does he see it as a strategic threat?
Because this was the whole fight over Saddam Hussein. Of course he was a regional pain in the butt, of course he was a problem to some tactical extent to Israel—he wasn‘t a strategic threat to Israel—but is Iran a strategic threat to the United States? Does he believe that?
HERSH: I don‘t know what he believes.
MATTHEWS: How could he be a strategic threat to the United States?
HERSH: I don‘t know what he believes. He said today Hezbollah lost the war. I mean, I don‘t know. Is the moon made of green cheese? I don‘t know what he believes.
MATTHEWS: Do you believe the president says what he believes?
HERSH: Oh, yes. I believe he‘s—one of the things ...
MATTHEWS: You think he‘s totally genuine in what he presents to the American people? He believes what he tells us.
HERSH: I think you really have to listen to what he says, and I think one of the problems—you know, one of the reasons this story came about is somebody on the inside said, you know, these guys, here are the—they pushed the Israeli air force for the same reason you said in the intro. They wanted—it‘s sort of a demo for Iran.
They wanted a—there were reasons. You know, he‘s a terrorist, Nasrallah, he has got some missiles and we want to beef up the Lebanese government. The real reality is it‘s a test case for Iran. He pushed them into it. It was a disaster. They ended up sending in ground troops, just like all the guys in the Pentagon would say, and yet guys on the inside tell me there‘s no learning curve there. These guys ...
MATTHEWS: You know what it brings into question? Here‘s an administration that for political or other moral reasons or historic reasons—maybe because his father was pro-Arab—is the most openly pro-Israeli administration in history, in terms of the P.R.
And you have to ask yourself, has the loss of our power brokering ability in that region been a bigger loss for Israel than anything we could have done for them? Seymour Hersh is staying with us from “New Yorker” magazine. He‘s made the big story this week.
On the other hand