FLIGHT 111 - PLANE CRASH

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SWISS AIR FLIGHT PATH	PATH OF ECLIPSE - AUG. 11, 1999 AT 11:11 A.M.

SOLAR ECLIPSE - 1999 by Joe Mason	ECLIPSE FLIGHT PATH OVER ENGLAND

Swissair says none of the 229 people aboard Flight 111 survived a crash off the coast of Nova Scotia Wednesday night after its pilot reported smoke in the cockpit and attempted an emergency landing at Halifax International Airport.

A quiet night on Peggys Cove turned violent and deadly when Swissair Flight 111 went down. This morning’s dawn brings the aftermath: local fishermen retrieving bodies, and medics waiting in vain for anyone to try to save.

The KÂMÊ'A of The SUN [GOLD] - 6x6
6	32	3	34	35	1
7	11	27	28	8	30
24	14	16	15	23	19
13	20	22	21	17	18
25	29	10	9	26	12
36	5	33	4	2	31

The thirty-six numbers may be added up horizontally, vertically or diagonally.
In any case, they add up to 111.
The sum total of the numbers is 666, sometimes today called "The Number of the Beast" - The Demon of the Sun.
This is the derivation of the number 666.
An amulet of this square would be made in gold.

The Angelic Spirit of The Sun is Nakîêl (111)

The Demonic Spirit of The Sun is Sôrath (666)

According to Joan Sckrubulis, symbolically and physically, our planet will undergo a crucifixion in space - its side pierced by a heavenly lance - the pointed cone of eclipse shadow.

As Christ was crucified long ago, so too will the Earth bear its cross as the third millennium draws near.

NOSTRADAMUS QUATRAIN

The Nostradamus quatrain, C10, Q72 seems to be related to the eclipse:

In 1999 and seven months

From the sky will descend a great
terrifying King

Who will resuscitate the great King
ANGOLMOIS.

Before and after, Mars reigns happily.

COINCIDENCES

There are various coincidences concerning the time and location of the eclipse. The date, August 11, coincides with a number of events in the crop circle phenomena and in a few other ways. The time, 11:11 a. m., has extensive "coincidental" associations. The location, specifically - where the eclipse shadow strikes land at Cornwall, the southwestern tip of England, has the most incredible legendary and symbolic associations, including the Arthurian legends of the Quest for the Holy Grail.

Subj: SWISSAIR: The names of the crash victims
Date: 9/4/98 12:22:13 AM Central Daylight Time
From: APFN@netbox.com (American Patriot Friends Network)
SWISSAIR: The names of the crash victims

GENEVA, (Reuters) - Staff members from at least three United Nations agencies in Geneva were among the 229 dead in the crash of a Swissair jet off Canada on a flight known as ``the U.N. shuttle,'' U.N. officials said Thursday.

Also on the McDonald Douglas MD-11 airliner was Jonathan Mann, renowned American expert on AIDS who once headed the World Health Organization's fight against the disease, and his wife, a WHO spokesman told Reuters

PEGGY'S COVE, Nova Scotia (AP) - The 229 people aboard Swissair Flight 111 had time to prepare for the worst while the pilots struggled vainly to keep the smoking, groaning jetliner aloft long enough for an emergency landing.

Some passengers donned their life vests during the several minutes before the MD-11 jumbo jet crashed and broke apart Wednesday night in choppy seas off Nova Scotia, Swissair officials said Thursday. The plane, which carried 137 Americans, left a slick of jet fuel, floating luggage and human remains, but no survivors.

``When you saw how small the pieces of fragments were, you could tell it must have been a pretty horrific crash,'' said Jim Buckley, skipper of a whaling boat that joined a makeshift flotilla that fruitlessly searched for people to rescue. The cause of the crash was not known.

By nightfall Thursday, authorities said about 60 bodies had been recovered, as well as an array of aircraft parts. But Lt. Commander Jacques Fauteux, one of the search coordinators, said none of the pieces was larger than an automobile.

Aboard the jet flown by one of the world's safest airlines were 14 crew members and 215 passengers. There were two infants, several United Nations employees and one of the foremost leaders in the global fight against AIDS, Dr. Jonathan Mann.

The Geneva-bound plane departed New York's Kennedy International Airport at 8:18 p.m. EDT Wednesday and crashed 90 minutes later, at 9:48 p.m. EDT near Halifax, the capital of Nova Scotia, Swissair spokesman Jean-Claude Donzel said.

Sixteen minutes passed between the crew's first report of trouble - including smoke in the cockpit, in Canadian airspace at 33,000 feet - and the plane's disappearance from radar scopes at about 8,000 feet, according to Roy Bears of the Canadian Transportation Safety Board.

Five minutes after the aircraft crew reported the smoke and headed toward Halifax, they began descending to dump fuel, said Tony Rushton, vice president of the Canadian air traffic controllers' union.

In another five minutes the crew declared an emergency, and just moments later, the aircraft's transponder, which automatically transmits its identity and altitude, stopped functioning, he said.

Controllers could still monitor the plane on radar until all contact was finally lost.

The pilot, Urs Zimmermann, 50, tried to coax the plane to an emergency landing at the Halifax airport, 35 miles from the crash site. The pilot initially proposed heading for Boston, but air traffic controllers pointed out Halifax was closer - 42 miles compared to 192 miles.

Swissair said the plane was seven to 10 minutes away from the Halifax airport, when it plunged into waters about 150 feet deep.

The National Transportation Safety Board in Washington sent 10 experts to Canada and experts from Switzerland also were deployed.

Canadian officials and the White House said there was no indication the crash resulted from a terrorist act. The Canadians said their intelligence services were in contact with the FBI nonetheless.

FBI Director Louis Freeh said his agents were examining the passenger list and working to ensure key evidence was properly preserved.

``We don't have any indication at this point what caused that tragedy,'' Freeh said.

In towns along the scenic but often treacherous Nova Scotia coast, residents reported hearing sputtering noises from an aircraft passing overhead, then a thundering crash.

``The motors were still going, but it was the worst-sounding deep groan that I've ever heard,'' said Claudia Zinck-Gilroy.

Dozens of fishing boats and coast guard ships hurried to the crash site, about six miles off the coast of Peggy's Cove. The picturesque fishing village - population 60 - is popular with tourists for its pirate lore and much-photographed lighthouse, but the area also is known for shipwrecks and other maritime tragedies.

After the first few hours of the nightlong search, the mood among boat crews turned grim when reports of survivors proved false. Instead, boat after boat radioed to a naval command vessel that more body bags were needed to cradle human remains scattered among aircraft debris over several square miles of the Atlantic.

Searchlights from boats, helicopters and planes illuminated the area during the night. Heavy surf - a remnant of Hurricane Danielle - hampered the first hours of the rescue effort and rain fell until dawn.

``It's real ugly,'' said Craig Sanford, operator of a whale-watching boat that was one of the first vessels on the scene. ``You see Styrofoam floating, chunks of wood, panels, the odd body here and there. It's not a nice scene.'' Weather cleared during the day, and the sea settled into rolling swells.

Body parts, a child's dark blue sweater, a page from a math textbook and a leather purse drifted in the inky blue water.

The first three dozen bodies recovered were taken to a temporary morgue at the Canadian Forces Base Shearwater, 30 miles to the east. Twenty doctors, including dentists and pathologists, worked to identify remains.

Searchers said they had located a chunk of the plane's fuselage believed to be intact on the ocean floor. Divers planned to search for the flight recorders, which could help determine the cause of the disaster.

Swissair and its partner, Delta Airlines, were flying relatives from New York and Switzerland to Halifax. Nova Scotia officials offered to provide 900 hotel rooms for the families, and pledged to protect their privacy as they faced the grim chore of identifying loved ones.

Swissair said the passenger list would not be released until family members are notified. In addition to the 136 American passengers and an American crew member, it said 39 Swiss nationals and 30 French citizens were killed.

Others were from Britain, Canada, Germany, Italy, Greece, Saudi Arabia, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iran, Spain, St. Kitts and Russia.

The United Nations confirmed that seven U.N. workers returning to offices in Geneva and the wife of one of the officials were on board.

``Any one of us could have been on that plane,'' U.N. spokesman Fred Eckhard said in New York. ``It's a flight we take frequently.''

All 185 national flags outside U.N. headquarters were lowered to half-staff in mourning, he said, and a staff memorial service was planned. An impromptu memorial service was also held in a downtown Geneva church late Thursday.

It was the first fatal crash of a Swissair plane since Oct. 7, 1979, when one of its DC-8s overshot the runway in Athens, Greece, and burst into flames. Fourteen people were killed.

Swissair will check its 15 remaining MD-11s in the wake of Wednesday's crash, SAirGroup CEO Philippe Bruggisser said. He said the fleet will be brought back into service once it is established there are no technical problems - a process could take days or months, depending on what investigators discover.

The plane that crashed Wednesday was put into service in August 1991 and was overhauled a year ago, Swissair said. Boeing spokesman Russ Young said it had completed more than 6,000 flights and 35,000 flight hours.

The McDonnell Douglas MD-11 is a jet known for its reliability, even though its manufacturer, Boeing, has announced plans to discontinue the model in the year 2000.

Zurich, September 4, 1998, 02:00 CET - The crash of Swissair flight SR111 near Halifax cost the lives of all 215 passengers and 14 crew members aboard. Swissair's special assistance team has been able to notify almost all of the victims' families regarding this tragic accident.

Swissair's management and personnel are shocked and deeply saddened at this tragic loss. The company wishes to express its sincerest condolences to the families and friends of the victims. A list of names of the victims whose next of kin have been notified can be found below.

ABADY GEORGE -- ABERY KEITH-- ABOUTAAM SLEIMAN-- ABOUTAAM SUAD-- ACEVEDO INGRID-- AELLEN PIERRE-ANDRE-- ALBERTSEN ELSE-- ALBERTSEN TORKILD-- ALLEAUME BRUNO-- ALSAUD BANDAR-- AMPOSTA M.-- BABOLAT PIERRE-- BACONNIER PASCAL-- BAEUMER LUDWIG-- BALL EUDYCE-- BALL MARTIN-- BELL PATRICK-W.-- BENJAMIN JESSE-JAMES-- BENJAMIN STACEY-- BENJAMIN WAHKYN-- BENJAMIN WHITNEY GINGER-- BILGER JOACHIM-- BITTENBINDER SUZANNE-- BOLSTERLI ANDREW-- BOUCHOUT GEOFFROY-- BOURE FAYE-- BOURE ROSLINE-- BOVE JANE-- BURCKHARD ERICH-- BURGHARDT SUSAN-- BURRUS DOMINIQUE-- BURRUS THIERRY-- CALVETMASSY C.-- CAPPOLA MAXINE-- CARIPIDES GABRIELA-- CARIPIDES PETER-- CARIPIDES WILLIAM-- CEGAR NATASA-- CHAPMAN CAULEY-- CHAPMAN MARK-- CHATELAIN ODETTE-- CHATELAIN RAOUL-- CHEVEY NATHALIE-- CHEVEY NICOLAS-- CLEMENTSMANN MARYLOU-- COBURN RICHARD-- COLINBARRAND THIERRY-- COLMERY BARRY-- COLMERY JULIE-- DANON ALBERT-- DEGRAEF MAARTEN-- DEMEIRE JANA-- DEPLEDGE CAROLINE-- DEPLEDGE JANE-- DEPLEDGE MICHEAL-- DEPLEDGE NORMAN-- DEROUSSAN YVES-- DIBA MAHMOOD-- DITCHKUS L.-- DITCHKUS M.-- DOMINIGUE KAREN-- DONALDSON RHONDA-- DUMITRU C.-- EZELL PATRICIA-- FETHEROLF TARA-- FINE DOUGLAS-- FREVIER MARYVONNE-- FROGHI FUHRMANN WILLIAM-- GAMBONE DEBORAH-- GAMBONE MICHAEL-- GARBOUDES AMANDA-- GARBOUDES CHRISTINE-- GARBOUDES HERVE-- GARBOUDES TRISTAN-- GERETY PIERCE-- HAMMOND JOAN-- HAMMOND PAUL-- HASTIE CHERIEM-- HAUSMAN THOMAS-- HEWSON ROBERTE-- HOCHE GABRIEL-- HOOTSEV ANDREW-- HOEL ANNE-SOPHIE-- HOEL FRANCOIS-- HOEL MARIE-FRANCOISE-- HOEL OLIVIA-- HOEL PAUL-EDOUARD-- HOPCRAFT PAULINE-- HOPCRAFT LAWRENCE-- ICONOMOPOULOU CH-- JACKMAN OLIVIER-- JASAN JAY-- JEGGE EVELYN-- JEGGE ISABELLE-- JHURANI SOMESH-- JUNOD MARYLINE-- KAISER MARINA-- KARAMANOUKIAN SERGE-- KASSEL JAMES-T.-- KEFALIDIS N.-- KIEF KEVIN-- KINDERGEIGER KLAUS-- KITSINGER ERIC-- KLEIN STANLEY-- KLEINMAN KAREN-- KLEINMAN LEONARD-- KOHLER STEPHANE-- KOKORUDA JEAN-- KOKORUDA ROBERT-- KREIS THOMAS-- KRETSCHMER HEIDI-- LAMOTTA JOSEPH-- LAMPIETTI DARIO-- LATTIMER DON-- LATTIMER NANCY-- LEMAITRE ANNE-LAURE-- LESAICHOT JEAN-LUC-- LEVY RONNY-M.-- LIBRETT JEFFREY M.-- LUCAS ANNAB.-- LUCAS JAMES-N.-- MAILLET DENIS-- MAILLET ROBERT-- MAKAREVITCH MANUEL-- MALLIN GILDA-- MALLIN RALPH-- MANN JONATHAN-- MARTIN JOSEPH-- MEHRARABANSAMIT ELAHAH-- MENDO C.-- MILNE ALMA-- MILNE ROBERT-- MIRALAI ASTRID-- MIRALAI CHANTAL-- MIRALAI HOUCHANG-- MOLINIER FRANCOISE-- MOLINIER JEAN-PHILIPPE-- MONAY N.-- MORERO JP.-- MORERO M.-- MORTIMER HILDA-B.-- MORTIMER JOHN-H.-- MOSER JULIE-- MOZES JEAN-MAX-- MUNARI JAQUES-- NAPOLI PHYLLIS-- NAVARRO YOLANDA-- NELSON TARA-- NEUWEILER ADRIENNE-- NEUWEILER JOHN-- NOCETO BETTY-- NOCETO CLAUDE-- OGARA WILLIAM-- OMRAN A.-- PEREAU CLELIA-- PEREAU JEAN-LOUIS-- PEREAU JOELLE-- PEREAU SYLVIE-- PEREAU YVES-- PERROUD E.-- PINOESCH SKER-- PLUMLEIGH CHARLOTTE-- PLUMLEIGH GLEN-- RAPPAZ M.CECILE-- RAPPAZ MICHEL-- RATNAVALE J.-- RATNAVALE V.-- RICHARD KARINE-- RIZZA A.-- RIZZA VICTOR-- ROMANO RAYMOND-- ROSSI MAURIZIO-- SALAKHOUTDINOVA E.-- SALAMA MAGDA-- SANNA NINO-- SAUGY CRYSTEL-- SCARBORO A.-- SCOTT MATTHEW-- SCOULAR N.-- SEQUI S.-- SHAW STEPHANIE-- SHEER DIANE-- SHEER DONALD-- SHUSTER STEPHANIE-- SMITH CAROLINE-- SPANNE PER-- SPANOPOULOU EUGENIA-- SPANOPOULOU HODTSEV-PLATO-- SPERBER JULIE-- SPERBER THOMAS-- SPRINGER HLLOYD-- SPRINGER JUDITH-- STAUFFER PETER-- STAUTER ROBERT-- TAHMOUSH ALBERT-- TAHMOUSH ODETTE-- THIOUDELLET ALEXANDRE-- THIOUDELLET EMMANUEL-- THOMPSON ERNEST-- THORENS SEBASTIEN-- TOMOV NENAD-- TOPFGIBSON NANCY-- TSOLLIS CHRISTOS-- TZAMARIOUDAKI MARIA-- VILLET VINCENT-- WHITE ROWENNALLEE-- WILCOX ALEX-- WILCOX PETRA-- WILKINS MONTE-- WILLIAMS ROGER-- WILSON JONATHAN-- ZENIOS MARINO

Crew (complete): Zimmermann Urs-- Loew Stephan-- Oberhänsli René-- Pazeller Seraina-- Schwab Peter-- Pompili Jeannine-- Wiprächtiger Brigit-- Birkle Raphael-- Betrisey Irene-- Castioni Anne-E.-- Furter Colette-- Zuber Florence-- Eberhart Patricia-- Reutemann Regula--

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Statement of Walter Vollenweider Vice President North and South America Swissair

On September 2, Swissair's MD-11 flight from JFK to Geneva went down over Nova Scotia. Swissair departed on time at 8:18 PM from JFK and was scheduled to arrive at 9:30 am in Geneva. There were 215 passengers and 14 crew members on board. We have set up a toll free inquiry number for family and friends, which is 1 800 801 0088.

We regret this tragic accident and our thoughts and prayers go out to the family and friends of those on board. We are giving our full cooperation and working with authorities at this time and would also like to thank the Canadian government and private citizens for their efforts and aide.

It is plain, and simple, there was someone on that plane, who had to be eliminated, so who was it??

This isn’t the first time they have sacrificed others to eliminate a person who is detrimental to their (NWO) plans. Remember TWA-800?

Remember Ron Brown? sneer at it if you like, I would never fly in a commercial plane without knowing who else is on the plane. That would be dangerous.

Now they have created another way to spend tax dollars in their phony investigation.

Look at it this way, the pilot said there was smoke in the cockpit just before the plane took the nose dive. They are finding body parts, how the hell can a persons body separate just hitting the water, unless it was blown apart?????

It took about 16 minutes from the time the crew first reported smoke in the cockpit to when the plane disappeared from radar, according to Roy Bears, an investigator with the Canadian Transportation SafetyBoard.

I am praying for all those souls. My God give us the power to find the truth. These deaths were not by the hand of God.

Hi all: I have a very strong feeling about this plane crash. However, there is more to it than just that it could have been caused by a terrorist. Swissair hasn't had an accident since 1979. This plane was inspected for safety less than a month ago.

I noted yesterday that it was Flight #111. Last month, a bus in Tunisia was in an accident and everyone killed. The bus number was #111. Just a coincidence????

We looked at the flight path last night on the news. The flight path crosses the ocean from Halifax to Switzerland.

Next Aug. 11, 1999, there will be an eclipse of the sun. Guess where totality starts!!! Halifax, Nova Scotia. The sun dies there, covered by the moon as it crosses the ocean to Europe. Totality in England ends at 11:11 a.m.

This is freaking me out. I'm hoping there are no more accidents with the number 111. From now until next August, you can bet I will be aware every time 111 or 11:11 comes up.

People all over the world have been reporting seeing that number on their clocks for years. It seems that this is a bigger event than I supposed in more ways than one.

Solara has been talking about doorways being opened to the spiritual world in reference to this number. This is a little too graphic an example for me to handle. We have all been expecting ascension enmasse, perhaps only some going, there is controversy about that.

I don't want to think that starting now, that anybody who rides on a vehicle with the number 111 is going to ascend in this violent manner. I'm really worried and upset about this number now.

> This is freaking me out. I'm hoping there are no more accidents with the number 111. From now until next August, you can bet I will be aware every time 111 or 11:11 comes up.

Now you mention it. Tenerife had its worst ever bus crash a few weeks ago. ... number 111. <<Pamela Heywood

Hi (:>) The armistice and Rememberance Sunday is 11am on the 11th day of the 11th Month. The establishment of the State of Israel and the battles over the Dome are inextricably linked with Prophecy. Israel was established by Treaty in 1947 and came to fruition in 1948. The Jubilee is 50 years?

If anyone with Jewish History in mind knows the actual date of the establishment of Israel in 1948, could post that date because I am sure these dates *are* relevant. I seem to remember celebrations recently about the fiftieth anniversary of the State of Israel.

When did Israel acquire Jeru-Salem and the Temple - ?1967? during the war with their Arab neighbours?

Who shares the same Religious ideology with the site of the Temple/Dome? The Arabs!! The Jews and the Arabs have claim on the same place - they can work cooperatively together or go to war ... there are *no* abstentions in this vote?

The birthing or the end of the <Cayce> gestation period is NOW - as he gave 1958 - 1998 as that period. Perhaps the November date of the signing of the Treaty for Israel to be established out of Palestine is a vital date?

Cayce always said that Love covers a multitude of sins and loving cooperation can change the future. I believe that we stand absolutely on the threshold of the birthing [actual] of the Golden Age. Is it going to be a peaceful beautiful birth as Nature planned it or is it going to be an emergency Caesar? Only we have the answer. The agenda is that the Lord will return. Will everyone on this Planet <Welcome> a Universal Master or will the wars and greed and starvation continue. .... 'cos if they do then the Emergency Caesar is pre-ordained and Matthew warns that *unless* there is intervention no flesh will be saved!

This Guy is talking <wipe-out> Mind can conceive a Cosmic Impact by a comet or asteroid which permanently turns out the Lights for the Human Race!!

My appeal to all is: Be Aware ... for inasmuch as you do unto the least of these you do it unto God ...unto me - the Christ - and ultimately unto yourself... for a man *must* reap as he has sewn.

I am in *total* support for all that the Light-Workers are achieving; for Twyman and his marvallous efforts, for all who work and present the Light to others but - Be ye *not* deceived - we live on a Dark Planet with its wars and murders and crimes and conspiracies and the GodForce is *not* mocked ..for <Love> is the agenda and anything less than love is accountable.

Personally I think that we are in deep .... trouble, so deep that we have no idea of the pureness of true love, or God and we are playing intellectual mind-games. All must give account and have their journey matched against the Christ Consciousness and the pattern set in the Christ Journey.

MY view is that we can mitigate and avert so much and we are talking months not years and not 2012. When I spoke with Dannion Brinkley last year he told me that it would be 2012 *before* we got ourselves out of the disasters which are about to befall us! Perhaps the Mayan 2012 is a <New Beginning> .. after the Tribulation.

Members - a call to pray and <good deeds> by all?In love and frienship across the <NET> John (:>)

a letter to "dreamweaver" and the airplane crash ...inspired me to write out some of my thoughts.

I, once , came across a book, written by a guide, via a medium....It was a question---answer session between this guide and his class...sitting around the medium.

This particular class dicussion was centered around the idea that "death"...could be ..or could not be..."an accident"!

i, of course, can not remember the exact words of this guide....but here goes.....He said..."some deaths are set by the Soul, prior to the incarnation..to be "open ended".....Dying WHEN the life-plan is finished.

But most deaths ..and the time and manner of the death..is set up in advance..by the Soul and\or its guides, prior to its earthly incarnation". He said, further..."you would not believe, unless you saw the planning from our spirit-side, the amount of planning that goes on, here, when a bunch of people NEED to die at an early age!

A favorite way to "harvest"..these souls is to get them all to board an airplane..and have it crash!!.....or....rather:set up the plane to crash: then select the passengar list..from those who need to die, at that time! sometimes ..through free-will-change or other things..a person who was signed up to go on board...has a reprieve: he is not supposed to die then. This person then has a prophetic dream of warning not to go..or perhaps the ticket "gets lost"!!"

he went on...."one of the problems of Spirit is to face the earthly advance of Modern medicine...that would cure a person who is supposed to die at his appointed time. thus Spirit has to Create NEW DISEASES, so that doctors can not then cure the patients who are ready to die, at that time!!!" {this was written in the 1950s!!}

my sister died at 42 years old. she went into the emergancy room with a diabetic coma. It was being reversed..but it would have overthrown her time to come home: thus Spirit gave to her a EMBOLISIM of the arota..between heart and lungs..always 100% fatal!! her APPOINTMENT WAS KEPT!!

i note something, folks. I moved back to my home town, in may of last year...and i read the Ithaca Journal newspaper every day. About nine months ago..i began to notice something very strange. About every few months to a week or so...some great community Humanitarian old-soul...would die of some accident...that someone would call "a freak accident"!

Only the Very best souls..seemed to be taken in this way....a bicycle accident...a canoe drowning....and others...One would think of the great loss to the community......the obituary would be on the front page and take several pages of newspaper!!

there is a phrase..."whom the gods love..die young" and someone added to it..."yes...the Gods so love them, that the Gods want that person to be up there with them"!!!

from the vantage point of the "end times'..and "rising up in vibration to the next dimensional density"..and of the "7th millenium"....it would be that one could assume a whole LOT of people are going to die, at once(spread out over 2 to 9 years: but perhaps a 20% to 80% "kill rate"..of earth's population: that is a LOT of souls homecoming at one time!)..during the earth-changes.......it would make Spiritual sense to have some people be spared the sufferings that will occur, here...soon. If they do not NEED to experience it.

but there is ANOTHER reason.....just look at the common thread..of my heaven visions..."Healing Centers"..in the heavens.... {if you have not seen them..please ask. free@epix.net }

there are healing\welcoming centers aplenty..in heaven. ONE of my visions...took me to a healing hospital that is BEING READIED for the great masses of souls to arrive, at once...at some undisclosed, to me, future date!!!!!

thus..these places NEED to have old soul counselers\healers\consolers, IN PLACE...ready to be of service to us all, when we, ourselves, arrive. These healers gotta arrive, themselves......become trained. The centers of healings of wounded arriving souls, become pre-staffed and readied... BEFORE we all arrive en-masse!!!

Thus...they...these wonderfull old souls...NEED to die, before we all do!! thus...they are raptured!

even now...they talk..of how so so many of the passengars on that Canadian plane crash, were the "cream of the crop', of Humanitarians!! 229..or so...of them!

...and of how "Accidently"..some of the passengers did not board this plane; when they were set to!!

This article ought to really appeal to the Conspiricy buffs!!! for this crash was setup DELIBERATELY!!

some of your friends may die early, too........i would be interested, folks..if you KNOW of any one of your friends\relatives...who died..in this Rapture-ic manner!!

i have a theory ..that there are many of these types of deaths....within the last year or so. they may well INCREASE in number...in the year ahead!

In addition........since many of these old souls are Artists...poets...healers... they are very creative people.... Just HOW would Spirit get a whole bunch of very creative souls..to die all at once..no matter what their ages..to come over to heaven to get themselves, under spirit teachings, to "get up to speed"..and "prewarm the healing centers ovens"... ...before we all arrive, at once??

there is THE (a) ANSWER , folks......Spirit gotta make them new diseases the doctors can not heal..so that Appoinments are kept!! the Gay population has a VERY high percentage of talented, creative people!!

{i imagine that a disease, like Aids, having such a great number of fatalities, all over the world, would ...this disease...have MANY karmic reasons for it to be placed here. Covering many bases...as it were.}

but Aids sure makes a vey good harvest rapturing machine..for these old artistic souls, in the western world!! again: a conspiricy that no earthly-only..paronoic person..can see!!

> Canadian officials and the White House said there was no indication the crash resulted from a terrorist act. The Canadians said their intelligence services were in contact with the FBI nonetheless.<<

Why do I get a bad feeling about this crash? I don't want to start anything based on gossip but somehow things don't add up for me when *before* any cursory examination has taken place, Officials are saying no terrorist attack. They didn't say no attack - just terrorist attack.

If a transponder packs up then it's blown up or suddenly disabled - nothwithstanding they have a separate power pack to keep them transmitting.

For this plane to be fragmented so badly would imply that the plane was smashed to smithereens on impact ... but they already know about the situation and it disappears from radar at 8,000 from cruising altitude of 33,000. The plane could have virtually glided a substantial distance to Halifax but it dropped out of the sky implying some sort of explosion or wings dropping off?

The saga of the TWA flight shot down by a missile still lingers on and a year after Diana's death the inquiry still goes on because the truth is not being laid out in the open. President Clinton is cloaked by scandals and dead bodies. Who else was on that plane? All Souls are equally precious but some Souls put themselves out on a limb and some try to disappear or run from the <System>. Dirty tricks everywhere? John (:>)just having a gut feeling (and a gut-ache today!)

> Canada's Southam newspaper group reported today the the Federal Aviation issued a directive in 1996 about a wiring problem with the MD-11.

SwissAir has the best track record since the war. On account of numerous mountains in Switzerland and the general set-up and being the home of the money machine I *cannot* imagine that SwissAir would scrimp on safety after having been warned by the manufacturers via the FAA.

If it were proved that SwissAir was negligent in failing to implement recommendations by the FAA, which led to an avoidable crash then the litigation would be immense akin to Corporate manslaughter. I am not saying that SwissAir wouldn't risk a billion dollar lawsuit but why bother when for a fraction of that price they could have remedied the fault ... baring in mind that this plane was recently serviced?

The message from "Phantasmagoria" <phantasmagoria@bandgelect.com> contains these words:

> I just heard on the news that the Black Box on Flight 111 didn't record ANYTHING below 10,000 feet. As if ALL power was cut off.

I hope that you are correct because I had already said to friends that when they recover the Flight Recorder it won't give them the information they need. After all it must have been very difficult to retrieve it in a 100 feet of water. Was the homing beacon still working at the point of recovery because they have a separate power pack?

This suggests that all inputs to the flight-recorder were severed and that the plane and the Flight recorded parted company when the plane disappeared from Radar at 8,000 feet. Funny that Lockerbie (PanAm) was recovered nothwithstanding the fact of a massive explosion.

I am content to know that God's Flight recorder contained in the Akashic record can never fail to record every scrap of information and cannot be tampered with and as the mystery of SwissAir 1-11 unfolds those who perished here are safe in the Light.

These little facts Gentlemen and Ladies have lead me to believe that the supposed crash of Swiss Air was not a mechanical or accidental event, and has the smell as Hamlet said in Shakespeare's Play, " something rotten " behind closed doors.

Chew on this, and use your common sense. From the list of the passengers on Swiss Air Flt 111. Highlighted is the perhaps intended victim.

" I just got off the phone with the Saudi Arabian Embassy in Washington DC. They confirmed that Prince Bandar, Saudi Ambassador to the United States was on the plane and is now dead. He is one of the richest men in the world and is (Was)involved in >some of the blackest ops the CIA ever dealt with; Iran-Contra, drugs from the Golden triangle, sale of chem/bio weapons to Iraq, savings and loans swindles, drugs through Mena AR, Bush, Clinton, Ollie North, etc.

The bodies were all in pieces. Not a single whole corpse was recovered. In a very similar crash, TWA 800, almost all the bodies were recovered intact still strapped to their seats.

The last six minutes of flight had no radio contact with Halifax tower. Perhaps the fire burned up the radio wires. Or perhaps we have another Ron Brown type crash where all the tapes from the Dubrovnik tower simply disappeared. This crash has a very foul smell "

When we consider Terrorism, we ought to expand our vistas of mind to the fact that what is titled " Terrorism" is really a war of international proportion going on between govt's and international mobsters thru out the world. The average citizen is lead to believe that such activities are being lead by some Afghani Sheik, or a Muhamet in Palestine or such, but I remember a statement that the past Prime Minister of Greece, Karamanlis said while in office many years ago . " The world political community is at a point of collapse, no one trusts another".

The tragic aspect of this whole affair of human folly and cruelty IS the suffering of innocent people . But in war's, are not such facts realities.??? You are living in a soap bubble if you think that secret operatives are not slithering around in each govt, using such old sayings as " an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" as their guidelines of behavior. Do not exclude your own government from such unethical behavior, or terrorist acts to suit the agenda's that few people know . See the Video " Wag the Dog". These activities not unknown to other political entities with their own sky networks, act as provocation to return the action by similar deed. Inbetween all these power plays, and suited international mobsters , the innocent suffer and are the victims.

If this sort of activities continue unabated , and sanctioned by the veils of secrecy and " classified " status. If good and decent people do not unite, assume power and responsibility, the hope of stopping them, and preventing acceleration of more incidents that will bring more suffering and misery, more tragedy , and sorrow, will be but a flicker of a flame in the darkness of hope for peace.

But I see differently... In reality NO-ONE is a victim.. Victims don't exist. They weren't helpless. They didn't die unneccessarily.

They chose to be on that flight, and to die at that time. Perhaps not consciously, but they did choose. In that way, all has once again worked out perfectly. >>

BUT, there families are in pain and really suffering their loss. One young couple was on their honeymoon. The leading AIDs researcher was on board. People with the UN were on board. Babies were on board. Other little children with no sin on their litle souls.

Symbolically, the flight number and flight path fits too with the eclipse of the sun next August.

However, I'm sick of the metaphysical airy fairy thinking, and thinking of the suffering and pain that the families are going through and caring about the ones left behind too.

In these terrible times where hundreds and thousands of people are dying in one fell swoop, we can't do anything for them, but can we do something for those left behind? Can we ease their suffering? Can we do something?

> But I see differently... In reality NO-ONE is a victim.. Victims don't exist. They weren't helpless. They didn't die unneccessarily.

> They chose to be on that flight, and to die at that time. Perhaps not consciously, but they did choose. In that way, all has once again worked out perfectly. >>

> > BUT, there families are in pain and really suffering their loss. One young couple was on their honeymoon. The leading AIDs researcher was on board. People with the UN were on board. Babies were on board. Other little children with no sin on their litle souls.

Latest rumour flying around (No pun intended) is that the plane was SHOT DOWN by the US Gov...

But I personally believe that's crap. HOWEVER, the fact that there was no contact between the pilot and air traffic control for the last 6 minutes of the crash VERY unusual (Please correct me if wrong), and obviously points towards something else (I believe)... Perhaps Pilot planted by the CIA? Who know, and I'm not one to go planting these rumours... I have no intent of doing that.

> Symbolically, the flight number and flight path fits too with the eclipse of the sun next August.

> However, I'm sick of the metaphysical airy fairy thinking, and thinking of the suffering and pain that the families are going through and caring about the ones left behind too.

> In these terrible times where hundreds and thousands of people are dying in one fell swoop, we can't do anything for them, but can we do something for those left behind? Can we ease their suffering? Can we do something?

>>Best thing to do ultimately is to assure them that their loved ones are safe and happy wherever they have gone on to...

Sorry Dee, I have to disagree. Personally, and this may sound hard-hearted and cruel, but I feel it must be said. Objectively, the sadness one feels for a loved one, (and I've lost them too), is really selfishness. ie, Oh, they died and left ME here all alone, etc. However, when one thinks about it, depending on one's after death beliefs etc, perhaps these people ARE better off than the rest of us. With the coming earth changes, maybe they are the lucky ones. These children on board the flight, yes they died, but what would their lives be like if they had to start living through riots, wars, disease, famine, school yard shootings, etc? Myself, I would rather die quick and painlessly rather than be shot, wasted away through some disease, starve to death, burned to a crisp from the sun, suffer radiation poisoning. I'm not saying that we shouldn't feel anything for these people though, but there is a time to get back to living.

> HOWEVER, the fact that there was no contact between the pilot and air traffic control for the last 6 minutes of the crash VERY unusual (Please correct me if wrong) . . .

I dunno. They reported smoke in the cockpit. Not sure anyone has any idea yet where that was coming from. An awful lot of things on airplanes these days that can cause smoke (by burning) emit some pretty toxic fumes.

Also, if it were an electrical fire (or even if it were not), there seems to me to be the chance that communications could have been knocked out.

Let's not be too quick to find evil plots lurking everywhere. Not saying there aren't any, just saying that a little caution, a little further analysis and so forth might be appropriate before jumping to conclusions or making remarks that can easily start wild rumors.

Hi Dee. I'm sorry I didn't explain myself better. I'm not calling YOU selfish. There is a news story on Fox headlines where a father of a man killed in the plane is suing SWISSAIR and DELTA for the loss of his son. Something in the neighbourhood of 175million dollars. And the investigators haven't even figured out what caused the crash yet. Now, as I see it, things like this happen alot. Like saying, "How can get back at someone because I have lost something precious to ME." I am as shocked at you over this incidence but I hope to GOD that it was quick and they didn't spend the last 6 minutes of their lives alive falling from 10,000 feet. I would rather be blown to smithereens myself, thank you. Yes, we are here to learn lessons. But learning to accept death in a falling plane in a VERY short amount of time, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Hi Laura: I am shocked that you think I am selfish because I feel so bad for those people who died. Shocked is a good word here. That's how I feel right now. We are on earth to learn lessons, and this is a lesson for all of us, and I don't see any good in it no matter what the metaphysical people say.

I don't see either how being blasted into little pieces is better than any of the other things you listed either. (List is above)

Please, all psychic intuitives or remote viewers, focus on the cockpit voice recorder's wiring. And provide as much information as possible regarding Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia......

hmmmmmm, some coincidences regarding his known prior requests, regarding aircraft he chose to travel in. Ask no more questions for now.

I studied metaphysics for almost 30 years so I understand logically the teachings of the people who say that karma is the cause for all the problems we have in the world now.

However, I started studying metaphysics when my best friend died suddenly of a heart attack when we were 29 years old. She had just lost an infant daughter to SIDS death 2 months prior to that, and we were still mourning the loss of that baby when she had the heart attack.

I was so devastated by her loss I couldn't even go to the funeral. I didn't want to see her lying still and DEAD. I wanted to remember her as alive and happy (though she did'n't have a wonderful life except for her 5 daughters she was blessed with)

Personally, at that time I feared death so much myself that I HAD to know that she was still alive on the other side of the veil and I ran right out to search out books that would teach me the truth of 'life after death'. For me, seeing on the other side of the veil was an instantaneous positive success and I was so relieved to see that she still alive and happy.

As a result of my studies and meditative trances, I was able to check up on other people who died, like the babies who were killed at WACO in the terrible fire and I saw that they were happily playing, each child watched over by a loving adult soul who loved them.

However, even though I KNOW these things to be true, in the physical dimension, people still need to mourn their real loss of the loved ones they have lost from their lives.

When a person lives to be 80 or 90 years old and has lived a full and loving life, it is easier to see that they lived a good life and at the end of a long illness, to be relieved of that sick body is a blessing and we can accept that, but when people who are innocent such as these plane victims, to die in the midst of a life that hasn't even been allowed to develop like the infants, or the couple who was on their honeymoon and was looking forward to making a family and whose parents and families will feel terrible loss, and the horror of the accident which even the priests and ministers who were at the crash scene were having trouble dealng with, we cannot just sit here and think, "Oh! well, it was karma!" and go about our business and not care.

Those who are left behind, need to look at these tragedies with different eyes and feelings and use these events to somehow make the world a better place to live. Those people who are the parents, sibliings, children of those who passed naturally are going to feel great pain at their sudden loss and we need to support them with compassion. This is part of our spiritual growth to help others in whatever way we can.

We cannot just sit here and say, "Oh! it's their karma!" That is a spiritual trap that leads to non-feeling and a deadening of our natural born love and caring which we need to develop to cover all of mankind.

writes: << Subj: [earthchanges] Swiss Air Flight 111 Date: 9/10/98 1:00:20 AM Central Daylight Time

I am so grateful for your posts, the sites you recommend, and your balance. Today I liked your answer to Laura about the concern you had for the loved ones left behind and the terrible shocking way that they had to die. I also am not fond of the airy superficial way that some of the "new agers" feel about death and mourning being selfish. GOD in the old testament spoke about mourning and gave the Israelites a time to mourn their beloved leader Moses. I don't believe that any of us are reconciled concerning death. It's a tragedy when lives are lost innocently. Also in the old testament GOD says that HE will wipe our tears and death would be no more. It is always traumatic, heart wrenching to lose a loved one. I think that Laura might be in denial of the pain so she just passes it off as selfish to be concerned about the "non" victims as she calls them. And the families as being selfish for missing them and being mournful. I too Dee have been so touched by this tragedy and feel so impotent to know what to do for those left behind. So senseless, especially in view of our suspicions. Roz

> Please, all psychic intuitives or remote viewers, focus on the cockpit voice recorder's wiring. And provide as much information as possible regarding Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia......

I don't know if Sherman [Skolnick] has seen the below, or continues despite it to believe that Bandar bin saud was actually Bandar bin sultan. Das GOAT has since apologized for making the error in an earlier report..

Bandar bin sultan is the Ambassador to the US. Bandar bin saud is one of the many grandsons of Fahd. Two different guys with names that are similar to us, but very different to an Arab.

Still, Bandar bin Saud is a Saudi royal, making him a likely Osama bin Laden target and only one in a line of coincidental deaths on Flight 111. These include officials of the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO), AIDS researcher Jonathan Mann and his wife, a virus specialist. A virus specialist from the Centers of Disease Control in Atlanta died in the Kenya embassy bombing.

Another person who died in Kenya --an administrative assistant whose duties remain obscure-- barely missed an earlier brush with death by not taking a scheduled flight that ended in a fatal crash. That same pattern saved Mohammed Ferrat, an Algerian business associate of Ron Brown who later died on Flight 800.

The FBI took a special interest in Ferrat when investigating 800, ostensibly because only his first name was listed on the passenger manifest. Osama bin Laden has many Algerian business contacts. Again, Ferrat was supposed to be on the plane that killed Brown but rescheduled at the last minute.

As the Steamshovel web site (http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma) has pointed out for a while now, initial reports about the Flight 800 crash warned people away from the rescue area because of the possible existence of AIDS-tainted blood packets. The author of Underground Tunnels and Bases, Richard Sauder, discovered that Brown owned a patent for an AIDS-like retro-virus. The office that failed to ask appropriate questions--through incompetence or intent -- about the bullet-like wound in the x-ray of Brown's skull, the Army Institute of Pathology, recently has been doing odd studies of viruses. (See the Steamshovel site for details.)

What makes all that doubly coincidental is Brown's role as an intellectual property negotiator for the GATT treaty. Like the WIPO people wiped out on Flight 111, Brown worked to consolidate patents for these viral organisms under one global system. The attempt there is to change intellectual property laws in various countries, particularly in the third world, to conform with, and allow easier commercial exploitation by, the US and its allies.

So these bombings may have to do with a global struggle to create disease and profit from its cure. Considering how AIDS alone is expected in the coming years to make an even more dramatic impact on Africa than here, these stakes are certainly high enough for this kind of covert war. [1]

Also, Adnan Khashoggi's name has been associated with scientific endeavors identical to those of the Army Institute of Pathology. This involves the recovery of RNA residue from survivors of the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic and, again, more details can be found at the Steamshovel site (http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma). Danny Casolaro was investigating Khashoggi on the day he died, and so he figured prominently in the transnational power cabal Casolaro called the Octopus. Khashoggi is an arms merchant who goes back to the Lockheed scandals, was an Iran-Contra player, and some have suspected him of being involved in the deaths of Dodi Fayed and Diana.

Brown's patent, for those who wish to check the veracity of all this, is no. WO 9208784, "human t-lymphotropic virus type 2" scraped from the cells of Panamanian Indians.

I hope you can pass this information on to your readers. Also, let them know that the new issue of Steamshovel Press is now finally out and available for $6 from POB 23715, St. Louis, MO 63121. [2]

[1] Worth mentioning as a factor in the AIDS question is the fact, as documented by Professor Peter Duesberg (U of C/Berkeley) in his book, "Inventing the AIDS Virus," that at this late date we =do not know= what causes AIDS. Specifically, the truism that HIV causes AIDS is still an unproven hypothesis. Caution: Even though HIV is not proven to cause AIDS, it's still a good idea to practice "safe sex."

[2] Kenn Thomas continues to break new ground in his excellent magazine, "Steamshovel Press."

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Aperi os tuum, decerne quod justum est, et judica inopem et pauperem. -- Liber Proverbiorum XXXI: 8-9

The person that is suing is Jake LaMotta, the former boxer. His son was on the plane. He lives in Southeast Florida and I'm sure one of the vulture lawyers (is that redundant?) that seem to proliferate in this area got too him real quick.

As one who has lost a loved one in a plane crash (this was in 1973) I can testify to the shock and grief that follow. The man that died was not "supposed" to be on that plane but took the place of another man who took sick at the last minute. Even then, young as I was, I couldn't help but see the irony of this and yet on some level I suspected this was the way it was "meant to be", but I still railed at the unfairness of it all. 25 years later I still go back to this time every time I hear about another plane disaster.

I've come to terms with it now, though, and I'm grateful for what I've learned as a result of this horrible thing that can "only happen to other people," though I certainly wish I would have been able to learn these things in a much less violent way.

Dee, your compassion is not misplaced, compassion is what we are here to learn, to realize that we are all One and that what befalls any befalls all. I don't pretend to know the reasons those souls chose to perish the way they did but it may be that we all have to share in the blame, whatever the cause turns out to be, because until we learn to eschew hatred and bitterness for love and compassion, there will continue to be events that happen that provide us with the opportunity to learn these things. Those may have been very spiritually evolved souls who chose that way to help us experience what we need to soften us, to feel compassion, not just for them, or for their families, but for all who suffer. Or they may have been souls who needed to learn something themselves, perhaps the pain of leaving behind a grieving family. And babies' souls don't have to have "sin on them" in order to be able to learn whatever it is souls learn when they leave the physical world.

Grief IS for those of us left behind, for what we miss when a loved one is gone, no matter how much we say "Their life was cut so short, now they'll never...." We come to the physical plane to learn feelings, human feelings, grief and joy and all the gamut that we partake of. It's hard for me to imagine that there's anything here that can't be accomplished in the spiritual planes, but I believe this is so, and so we are here to feel EVERYTHING, not just the joy and pleasure. As the poem said, peace is within, not based on what happens without, and it is our choice, whether we like to believe that or not. We can feel grief and still feel peace, we can feel happiness and feel peace, but most of all we can feel peace when we are compassionate, even as we share another's pain. Witness the little American boy who was killed in Italy a few years ago whose parents donated his organs so that others might live. They still felt the grief of his loss, they still miss him and all he might have done and brought to their lives, and they also are at peace, I suspect, because they didn't consider only their own pain, they didn't become bitter, but they went on with life. Life is the whole point. Without life, we would have no need for compassion.

So, my feeling is, feel the grief of the bereft and berieved, send them your light and understanding and compassion, and whether or not they're aware of it, they will be comforted. In doing it for them, altruistically, you can't help but do it for yourself and your pain will also be lessened.

Didn't mean to get on a soapbox, but I feel a special connection every time something like this occurs, and it will continue to happen, whether it's in Ruanda or Mexico, or China or wherever, until we understand that we truly are all One.

But I thought it might be interesting for you to know that I think in my previous life (before this one), I died in a plane crash...Actually, it was quite a sudden death, as I can remember that many had to be told that they had died (Including me)... I believe it was a bombing / hijacking...

What was my name in that life? I get the feeling it was Peter...(Unsure though..)...

Of course I don't claim to be 100% correct on any of this EVER...So don't take it as gospel.

and our man Cayce *did* indicate that not everything happens as planned. Accidents, evil do happen .... why else would the GodForce will that none should perish ... unless there is that possibility?

I just do not *know* what happened and they on the plane are now safe from Earth's harm. Having jumped a few times from 10,000 feet on a parachute there is this strange feeling of excitement and fear but no way would I jump if I knew impact was next. It is not the death bit its the knowing. That's why some favour execution. The execution is relatively painless if by gassing or shooting but the build-up is the torture of the mind and Soul.

Hi: This is really interesting, because you can check back to 1975 and get the details of the crash you think you might have been in.

I have past-life memories of previous deaths also. Not a pretty scene. But nothing I could go back and read about.

I don't consider death the end. It is only one more step in the evolution of human consciousness. We were around just after the time of the big bang, we will be around when it happens again. Therefore, our loved ones have not left us. They have only been "converted" (so to speak, see Newton's laws).

We also have to remember that when we look at reality, we cannot separate each item we see. The flower cannot exist without the mountain being where it is. Perhaps this plane crash had to happen to prevent world war III, (hypothetically). It's a cause and effect universe (at least our portion of it), and we have to exist in it. One way or the other. Some cultures, I cannot come up with them of the top of my head right now, used to celebrate a death with a joyful party. I like that thought. It seems to bring harmony to the life and death cycle. So I don't see how losing someone can be unfair. I have lost people and it's a nice thought to KNOW that, in time, I will come across them again.

You are so right. We are here to learn the feelings because all the rest is available in the spiritworld where every thought manifests in a moment. Here is the only place we can feel the pain, the sorrow, the anger, the sadness, the happiness and the JOY.

I understand from sources that a movie was made about Jake LaMotta many years ago. He was known as one of the meanest boxers ever to take the ring.

I really appreciated your loving and beautifully expressed heartfelt letter. I needed to read the message you wrote about. Somehow, I have remained angry even tho my path has been a long tedious one. I just cannot seem to reconcile these unfair, unjust, tragedies, such as your friend dying so young, losing a child besides and leaving behind 5 daughters.

Perhaps the lack in me is that I have no psychic ability and cannot see to the other side. But I agree that even tho one can "see" and know there is more it does not diminish the senselessness of suffering, death and loss while we are here. I too feel differently when a person dies at an older age and has lived a good and loving life it is then time to be relieved of the worn out body. And a blessing for them to pass on. But the cruelty of those beings blasted away from a plane crash it bruises our souls thinking of the loved ones left behind to cope with. And for the fright and terror of those living thru that nightmare. And I too say, no no no we cannot just say oh well they chose it and its their karma. It then becomes a hardening of the heart being unwilling to FEEL what is natural affection for others. Love and light to you Dee and Yours. Roz

Hi (:>) But I see it differently ... we *are* ALL victims, children of the rebellion hence our incarnation here to learn. We are all learning? We are helpless unless we understand that life is a journey and a learning experience and an opportunity to connect to our Divine heritage.

What goes around must come around but woe unto those who perpetrate the deed for all shall be liable for their deeds. To mourn with those who mourn is a sign of humanity - even Jesus wept at the death of Lazarus - knowing that he could effect change. The mourners were devastated and Jesus shared their grief. The Spiritual message is not yet abraod fully so that people see death as a transition and very few have been allowed to return to explain death. Dannion brinkley *is* recommended reading in our camp.

> Lee Chin,Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia, you feel that he has something to do with the crash of 111?<,

Diana Princess of Wales was dating an Arab and they are dead. The body-guard is suing none other than Mohammed Al Fayed. There are always big things going on behind the scenes and pyschic remote viewing, used righteously might prevent many conspiracies. Could you imagine trying to lie to someone who can read your thoughts.

In a message dated 9/10/98 11:34:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rolsen@aug.com writes:

<< And I too say, no no no we cannot just say oh well they chose it and its their karma. It then becomes a hardening of the heart being unwilling to FEEL what is natural affection for others. >>

You are certainly right that we cannot become cold, unfeeling machines with hardened hearts. Just remember that people going thru a tradgedy need compassion more than anything. The anger will not serve you or them in the long run. Forgiveness has to be practiced every day, because negative feelings will also harden your heart over time. forgiving someone doesn't mean that you understand what they did or why they did it. It is simply letting go of the bad feelings. You don't have to forget--keep it in your head, not your heart.

>and our man Cayce *did* indicate that not everything happens as planned. Accidents, evil do happen .... why else would the GodForce will that none should perish ... unless there is that possibility?

>I just do not *know* what happened and they on the plane are now safe from Earth's harm.

Do not be too sure about souls being "safe" once they have shed their physical bodies. When a human dies physically the soul begins to withdraw from its vehicles of expression - physical, etheric, astral & mental, shedding them one by one as it ascends in vibration on its return journey inward. After passing through the subtle physical world (etheric) the soul finds itself vested with an astral body upon the astral plane where impressions are much more accute than down here in the physical world (the bliss is greater on the more lofty levels and so is the darkness and suffering on the lower). Sometimes souls can remain at the astral level for hundreds or even thousands of years before moving forth to the plane of soul, and eventually reincarnating again on the physical.

The majority of those souls (probably all of them) who died in the crash will now be residing in the subtle astral sphere which surrounds and interpenetrates our planet. And here's the crux of the matter. The Tribulations will be experienced not only in the physical but also on many subtle levels within the auric field of Earth. Incorporeal entities who reside within the invisible counterpart of our material Earth are not exempt from either planetary karma or conditions. Death is no escape from 'The Final Judgement', and please know that there are presently some very unpleasant hell-realms within the lower astral planes of this world. Anyone with significant karmic demerit might find themselves residing in such a place after physical death.

So who are we to say that the people who died in the crash are safe from Earth's harm? They could be worse off experientially, depending on the purity of life/lives lived.

In truth, John, the Great Tempest that we are all anticipating soon here in the physical world rages with far greater ferocity within the hidden worlds because the matter which constitutes the atomic particles of such spheres is much more subtle than in the material world, and so responds to causes set up with far greater severity.

We could safely say that the crash 'victims' are now safe from physical harm, for they have already thoroughly experienced that! But we cannot aver that they are safe from Earth's occult influences.

>I don't consider death the end. It is only one more step in the evolution of human consciousness. We were around just after the time of the big bang, we will be around when it happens again. Therefore, our loved ones have not left us. They have only been "converted" (so to speak, see Newton's laws).

>We also have to remember that when we look at reality, we cannot separate each item we see. The flower cannot exist without the mountain being where it is. Perhaps this plane crash had to happen to prevent world war III, (hypothetically). It's a cause and effect universe (at least our portion of it), and we have to exist in it. One way or the other. Some cultures, I cannot come up with them off the top of my head right now, used to celebrate a death with a joyful party. I like that thought. It seems to bring harmony to the life and death cycle. So I don't see how losing someone can be unfair. I have lost people and it's a nice thought to KNOW that, in time, I will come across them again.>>>

I think we're all here to experience things. That's why we're on this planet, in these coporal bodies. The feelings we feel and our reactions to them define us. Even though we can reason things away logically, even knowing that when someone leaves us in this plane, we KNOW they're not really gone, the feeling of them not being here any longer is a tangible one.

To some respect it can be interpreted as being selfish, because we will no longer experiance them here, but the actual feeling of losing someone is much more than that. Energy beings at heart, we know when something is wrong when we walk into a situation by the way it feels. The energy of a room can be felt upon walking in, whether we are aware of it or not.

But losing someone is not only losing them in the physical level, but a part of their essence is no longer around. A part that can be felt deeply by those that cared about them, and shared their energy. It's true, the energy doesn't go away, and it's transformed, but we can still FEEL it, and the feeling of not having something in your energy field is the feeling of loss. We can rationalize it all we want, but you can't deny what you feel. We shouldn't anyway, because that's one of the reasons we're all on this blue-green little world in the first place.

>While we appreciate the beauty of your esoteric words and teachings, my heart still cries out for those we've lost in our physical world.

Right, Dee, I understand, but what Yogananda is trying to assure us is that these beloved souls ARE NOT LOST. They are merely out of our mortal sight for a short time. Do you think that you will not see them again?

Was it Susan Ferguson who said "We meet in the heart"? Look to your own heart, Dee, you will find all your loved ones right there.

Did you see the movie 'Phenomenon' starring John Travolta? Remember the very last part after he died? Beautiful. The movie 'Powder' also portrayed this invisible reality of non-separation in the final scene.

> Hi (:>) But I see it differently ... we *are* ALL victims, children of the rebellion hence our incarnation here to learn.

Victim / Perpetrator consciousness is a consciousness we can well do without. We are "childrten of the rebellion", but we are not victims of that rebellion... We created it on ourselves... And only we can fix it...I just think 'victim' is a word with negative connotations... But that's just me...

> learning? We are helpless unless we understand that life is a journey and a learning experience and an opportunity to connect to our Divine heritage.

Thus we are not helpless, as only we can realise this. No-one can do it for us, and the very idea that we CAN realise this means that we are not helpless... We are not without hope. Indeed, one may say that hope is the only good thing that exists at this moment. And that is saying a lot! As long as there is hope, what is there to lose?

> Both planes involved were MD-11s -- the same type as the one the Swissair jet that crashed off the coast of Halifax, Nova Scotia, last week, killing all 229 on board.

Would you believe that there was an incident involving a Chinese airliner that had to land with its' front wheels retracted? And, guess what? It was an MD-11!!!!!!

I'd be expecting these planes may be having their electrical systems stuffed around by the changing Earth magnetics?

>The Swiss air crash was a tragedy, but the aftermath is worse. It is not easy to face and accept on this level, but mourning the deceased causes the loss of energy, Divine energy. You have only been allotted a certain amount of this energy, and you cannot replace it while on this plane. And, the mourning does little for the departed, only those left behind. In prolonged grieving, one loses a great deal of Divine energy. Suffering is ever present on this plane. Children are starving in Africa, in Asia, in Russia, in America. People are dying of disease and illnesses, and even in tragic accidents at all times. One could mourn from birth to death and do nothing for the suffering on the planet, but, the mourner would forfeit a great deal of Divine energy that cannot be replaced in this dimension. I don't mean to be cold, but whom or what do you think is collecting the energy we lose by mourning? Many were aboard who are celebrating their departure from the planet. They were children of the light, and they are joyous now, or soon will be.

SR111: last six minutes missing on second black box, too Zurich, September 15, 1998 - The investigation into the loss of Swissair flight SR 111 on September 3 has suffered a further setback: the Canadian Transportation Safety Board has announced that the cockpit voice recorder also has no data for the last six minutes of the flight.

The cockpit voice recorder (CVR) uses a continuous tape to record the last thirty minutes of cockpit conversation. But an examination of the recordings on the CVR from flight SR 111, which was recovered from the sea on September 11, has revealed that the device stopped recording at about the same time as the flight data recorder, i.e. about six minutes before the aircraft crashed into the sea.

As the Canadian authorities point out, however, the CVR could still hold valuable information for their investigations: "Significant information concerning the inflight emergency prior to the last six minutes of flight is being decoded and analysed at the TSB Engineering Branch Laboratory in Ottawa. This information is being correlated with other data, such as the air traffic control voice and radar plot data made public last week."

The data from the two "black boxes" could still be used to confirm a number of irregularities experienced by the flight. To understand these, however, the investigators would need to thoroughly examine the wiring and other parts of the aircraft which had not yet been recovered, the Board wrote in a bulletin issued Tuesday evening.

Zurich, September 14, 1998, -- SR 111, the Swissair New York to Geneva flight lost on September 3 when it crashed into the sea off the Nova Scotia coast, was carrying valuables on board, it was confirmed today. But the weight and the value of the aircraft's cargo consignments were well within usual operating limits.

All Swissair's cargo consignments are handled by Swisscargo, its sister company within the SAirGroup. Swisscargo is one of the world's three leaders in the international transport of valuables, and carries some 200 000 valuables consignments a year.

Most Swissair MD-11 flights across the North Atlantic carry between 11 and 20 tonnes of cargo in addition to their passenger complement. SR 111 was carrying 14 548 kilos. Most of this was "general cargo" (textiles and spares for the machine, computer and automotive industries). The cargo payload also included 240 kilos of express mail and 200 kilos of regular mail. There were no parcels aboard.

The aircraft was also carrying 59 kilos (packaging included) of "valuables" including:

There were also two works of art on board. One of these was "Le Peintre", a picture by Picasso, estimated to be worth USD 1.5 million. The painting had been sent as general cargo.

The banknotes and the jewellery were being transported in a valuables container. This has stronger walls than a normal container, and also features an aluminium door with a special lock and metal seal. Valuables containers are not shockproof or fireproof, however, and the container may well have been damaged by the impact of the crash.

Transcript of last radio contact between Swissair 111 and Canadian air traffic control

Zurich Airport, September 5, 1998, 23:00 - On Saturday evening at 22:00 CET the Canadian Transportation Safety Board released a transcript of the radio contacts between the pilots of Swissair flight 111 and the air traffic control (ATC) station at Moncton, New Brunswick. The transcript appears below.

SR 111: Swissair one eleven heavy is declaring Pan Pan Pan. We have smoke in the cockpit, request deviate immediate right turn to a convenient place, I guess Boston.

SR 111: Affirmative for Swissair one eleven… prefer Halifax from our position.

(Note: Halifax is approximately 70 nautical miles, Boston is approximately 300 nautical miles, and the aircraft starts a descent from 33,000 feet.)

ATC: Okay, active runway at Halifax is zero six, should I start you a vector for six?

ATC: Roger, turn left heading of two hundred degrees and advise me when you are ready to dump…

SR 111: We are declaring an emergency at time zero one two four… we are starting vent now. We have to land immediately.

ATC: Swissair one eleven, you are cleared to commence you're fuel dump on that track and advise me when the dump is completed.

APFN NOTE: This list has been removed from the Swissair web page, I wonder why.... I will send the list upon request - APFN@netbox.com

I just got off the phone with the Saudi Arabian Embassy in Washington DC. They confirmed that Prince Bandar, Saudi Ambassador to the United States was on the plane and is now dead. He is one of the richest men in the world and is (Was)involved in some of the blackest ops the CIA ever dealt with; Iran-Contra, drugs from the Golden triangle, sale of chem/bio weapons to Iraq, savings and loans swindles, drugs through Mena AR, Bush, Clinton, Ollie North, etc.

Most of you are probably not aware that the chancery residence for Prince Bandar is only 600 ft from where Vince Foster's body was found.

If you have a copy of the flight manifest from APFN@netbox.com - look at the tenth name down :Alsaud, Bandar. That's him.

Apparently, Bandar chumped somebody big on a deal or reneged on a promise and hit order was passed down. The person to contact on this is Sherman Skolnick in Chicago. His number is (773)375-5741.

Subject: [MC] Swiss Ambassador (dies in Sion) former ambassador to Colombia, finding remains on Nova Scotia coastline

****note: Klaus Kinder-Geiger physicist who was developing a computerized model of nuclei also among flight victims - does anyone have information about him?******

Swiss ambassador to Canada killed in train station accident 9/06/98 from Ottawa Citizen

OTTAWA (CP-AP) - Foreign Affairs Minister Lloyd Axworthy sent condolence letters to Swiss Ambassador Daniel Dayer's family and government Saturday.

Dayer, Switzerland's ambassador to Canada, died early Saturday when he was hit by a train in the southern Swiss town of Sion, police there said.

Word of his death came only hours after the families of those who died in the crash of Swissair Flight 111 began arriving in Peggy's Cove, N.S., to view the watery grave of 229 relatives and friends. The news darkened an already sombre mood at the Swiss embassy in Ottawa. "It's too much at this time," said Bertrand Louis, an official at the embassy. "We are a small team."

Ten people work at the embassy, Louis said. Dayer, 58, was on his way back to Ottawa after a three-week visit home, which included attending an ambassadors' conference, Louis said. He was waiting on the platform at Sion station as the Brig-to-Geneva train approached, Valais state police said in a statement. He tripped, was hit by the train's locomotive and died instantly. Local authorities have opened an investigation into the accident, the reasons for which were unclear. Louis said Dayer was travelling with his family, but didn''t know if they were all at the train station.

Give me a break. Accidents happen. We're supposed to believe the New World Order is killing its own high-ranking people - 7 UN officials and a former WHO team leader? Yeah, and there are several Communists under your bed and an alien microchip implanted under your skin.

9/4/98 "Lynn M Stuter" <lmstuter@icehouse.net> wrote: I think we have to be careful that we don't see a boogey man under every bed and around every corner. Hitting the water in a nosedive is like hitting a brick wall -- it would absolutely shatter the plane and the bodies in it. Those people never knew what hit them. I think I want to see some hard evidence before I start making unfounded assumptions and accusations. The situation is bad enough and sad enough without people jumping to conclusions and spreading those "conclusions" around. LynnS

IT IS INTERESTING THAT THIS PARTICULAR FLIGHT WAS COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE UN SHUTTLE. NOT ONLY WAS IT USED BY UN PERSONNEL BUT ALSO TO TRANSPORT CURRENCIES, GOLD, GEMS AND OTHER VALUABLES THAT WERE POSSIBLY EXEMPT FROM CUSTOMS INSPECTIONS. I DOUBT IF THE WORLD WILL EVER KNOW WHAT THIS SHUTTLE WAS REALLY CARRYING.

Chew on this, and use your common sense. From the list of the passengers on Swiss Air Flt 111. Highlighted is the perhaps intended victim. ALSAUD BANDAR

To the unknown author of the above post, and all others interested...Just to let you know as someone with knowledge of aircraft accidents, aircraft accident investigation and general aviation safety, fragmentation of both airplane structures and bodies is very possible upon hitting water because of the amount of energy that has to be dissipated very rapidly. It just boils down to pure physics. That is why we have many suicides off bridges over water because hitting the water is almost like cement when we talk about the speeds/mass and energy involved. The water is not a fluid like body but very solid when something hits it at 100 mph+++. The bodies don't get fragmented by the water but by disintegrating sharp airplane structures and probably other people. Even if you did not have those sharp structures, the "g" forces (gravity) of these high energy impacts would shatter bones (including neck & back) and rupture internal organs even if one was safely able to stay in their seat (seats anchoring usually fails thrusting passengers in seats forward in the breakup sequence).

If the Swissair MD-11 had been in a "very controlled state" attempting to make a ditching in the water, there may have been survivors had everything gone just right. The problem was that even if the pilots were attempting a ditching they had the problems of night, clouds, rain, winds and heavy seas, smoke, etc.....almost impossible. They may have lost control or become incapacitated by smoke or toxins prior to hitting the water. This might explain a rapid descent in an uncontrolled or pitched down attitude which could easily explain total destruction and fragmentation of airplane and bodies.

There were reports that the debris field was 3 miles wide last night. I don't have a time element of this report from time of impact but any kind of rough seas and time COULD have spread the debris. If the wreckage was scattered 3 miles wide upon impact, then of course this would be an in-flight breakup of the airplane, maybe for reasons like the airplane exceeding the design limits (speed and "g" forces) maybe because of pilot incapacitation or control problems (pure speculation).

Remember, media reports inaccurate information so this 3 mile debris field could have been 3 meters or 300 feet.

The flight data and cockpit voice recorders should yield valuable data since this was not a cataclysmic event like TWA 800 where the recorders instantaneous lost power. The paragraphs above the last speaking about the energy that has to be absorbed in an accident are very accurate.

You cannot hit the water at 200 knots (230 mph) and not expect parts of the airplane structure to not start the very rapid destruction process.

This airplane may have hit at the wrong pitch attitude or even cart wheeled from striking a wing first which would have also broken the airplane apart. In higher speed accidents where airplanes dive into the ground, most likely the passengers have no experience of the impact because it is so very destructive (beyond imagination) and VERY quick.

I might also add the most important of this message...it is very important for any of us who truly want to save America and stop the desovereignization process, to CAREFULLY expose any and all conspiracies based on TRUTH, FACTS, EVIDENCE, LOGIC, and RELEVANCE. First, it is probably far too soon to make any speculations, primarily about the actual causal factors of this Swissair accident but also about any conspiracy theories. To do either at this point, marginalizes those that seek the truth. Agent provocateurs, infiltrators and dis/mis-information agents probably have already discredited many in the patriot community through this very method of false theorizing that something is suspicious when in fact it is not. Through the internet everyone can easily jump on the conspiracy train and then the true conspiracies that we should be aware of get little attention. We need to FACTUALLY THEORIZE once the sometime-limited evidence allows us to define the frame.

It is the same when 48 Hours interviews a Constitutionalist and shows that person to be some beer belly guy wearing fatigues and carrying 7 weapons. I know of many professors who are in the patriot movement, are Constitutionalists and could easily out wit Dan Rather, but that is not what America sees. We must REDEFINE ourselves from "those black helicopter freaks" to people who can sit down and analyze because of our knowledge, investigative skills and most importantly honoring of truth. Maybe we can earn the respect we deserve.

The minute someone jumps the gun and shouts that the Swissair event (could very well be an accident, airplanes do crash) is conclusively a conspiracy, and then the mainstream media snaps this stuff up, it only serves to further discredit the good intentioned folks in times of terrible troubles and a bleak future for America.

"Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they're not plotting against you." -- Robert Anton Wilson

Unusual Jumbo Jet airplane disasters of TWA 800, KAL 801, and Swissair MD-11 flight 111. What really caused these crashes?

If someone has been following the world news, they may understand that there have been unusual weather and disasters happening around the world. One who studies the ancient prophecies may understand how these unusual events may have been related to the prophecies about the coming of God’s representative at the end of this millennium. One person has sent very important divine messages to the media since February 1992. He said to the media that continuing unusual weather and devastating disasters will take place if they ignore his request. He has asked them to assist people to verify him by scholars in both religions and sciences as the Messiah for everlasting true peace. His message on September 9, 1992 indicated that “By air, water and land wherever on earth will be unsafe too”. This person has no choice to bring world peace without disasters because people will not listen without the divine punishments. Presently, people may understand that there are many unusual events such as unusual weather that have happened, but none really pay attention about God’s prophecies. This person will take responsibility for all that were caused by these divine acts. This person cannot fool people worldwide; people are intelligent enough to make their own decision about what is right or wrong.

Please consider | the attached file | that his friends sent to the media on August 6, 1997, this letter had a statement that points out an interesting occurrence between the two airplane disasters, TWA 800 and Korean air line (KAL) 801: “... a one number increase in the month, year, and flight number.”

The connection of jumbo jets crashes among TWA 800, KAL 801 and Swissair 111 as follows:

Each month and year is increased by 1. Flight # 800 is increased by 1 to make Flight # 801. Then add 1 alongside Swissair MD-11 to make 111 as the Flight #. Flight # 801 is the starting point where 1 is shifted to the end of MD-11. This will set KAL 801 as the starting point to MD-11 of increasing the number of deaths by 1, as 228, 229, and 230.

Psalms 116.6 stated “The Lord preserveth the simple: I was brought low, and he helped me.” God preserves the simple, why don’t people see the simplicity?

If the media and people still ignore the divine’s message, the devastating disasters will continue until people understand God’s truth for their own good and benefit.

This page does not try to convince anyone to believe but would like people to investigate if these crashes and other disasters are caused by divine words. People may think these disasters were coincidences, but how could these coincidences happen so many times?

The following web sites are the Direct Hit’s most visited sites under “Messiah Disasters”:

Curiously, the Swiss Air tragedy also occurred just 7 nautical or 8 miles off the coast of Nova Scotia not far from Peggy's Cove. The Swiss flag carries the Cross! The eclipse culminates Aug 11 at 11:11 UT - the Swiss flight was flight 111. The MD-11 McDonnell Douglas stretch jet is a grand plane in French. There were 229 persons on board. 2+9 = 11. So 229 becomes two of 2+9 or 11:11.

On Feb 11, 1999 Pluto crossed over to an orbit outside of Neptune for the next 228 years (229 passengers). The plane was initially instructed to use level two-niner (29). Flight 111 and was attempting to navigate to runway 6... (6 x 111 = 666). The 7 nautical miles versus 8 miles recalls the ambiguity over how to interpret the use of 'sept' (July vs August) by Nostradamus.

A company called Victorinox, who made the original Swiss army knife, also makes a 111 mm Swiss Air knife! 'Nox' (L. for night), as in equinox, reminds us of crossing a celestial boundary, here into the New Age where there is victory over death. Some astrologers might know that the Swiss are a Virgo (the Virgin) nation. A nearby Virgin Air flight announced: 'Moncton, Virgin 12 will be standing by', which conjures up other Biblical associations. Two other planes nearby were BAW Speedbirds - an apt description of the eclipse's journey. BAW = lambs of God = angels (winged on another plane) arrive soon (speedbird). The plane received its last one-day check-up on Aug 10, 1998; Aug 10, 1999 is the last day before the eclipse. The pilot was Urs Zimmermann. Urs is 'bear' - one of the astrological symbols for Aquarius along with 'man'. (zimmer is 'room'). There were no survivors; the eclipse is total. This too was 'terror in the sky' in 'Sept' month. A harbinger perhaps, with international coverage.

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Month	July	August	September
Year	1996	1997	1998
Airline	TWA	KAL	Swissair
Flight #	800	801	MD-11-111
People dead	230	228	229