(Note: BBS communication gets heated at times. There were many fine posts though.)
110 Anu Root and Anu.nnaki: Definitions
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posted July 12, 2001 01:07
To analog,
Those three links to Mr. Sitchin's critics are included in my accumulation of research now. Thank you for posting them.
The absurdities of the theories are becoming clear, slowly. For instance, I noticed right away that the word shem is another word for
chem as in our modern word chemical, meaning this word is not about "making a name" pertaining to Babylon nor is it related to "rocket ships", but relates to the
creation of chemical elements just as the exodus of the children of Israel (chemical elements) exit from Egypt (matter). What do you think bondage in Egypt means? It means elements in bondage in matter, finally being
freed from matter.
This is typical of the errors of modern "scholars" trying to interpret mythology.
Personally, I'm inclined to believe that these kinds of errors are deliberate for the very reason that, when challenged and refuted
the errors are never corrected nor retracted. Moreover the errors are repeated by scores of other invested monkeys.
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posted July 12, 2001 10:42
To Corolla90,
Excerpt from: Quartum Organum, page 465.
Dewey Decimal Number: 113. K949sub2
Pageant Press by Krypton, 1959
101 Fifth Ave, New York 3, NY.
1. And God (who?) blessed Noah (one of 356 Noahs) and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth (chpt 9).
This is not a repetition of the command given to Adam; it is the same
command in a parallel myth. Thus the replenishment here is not of the
lost Adamic humanity, but of the involutionary elements "lost' in
matter. These are now to be replaced by their evolutionary antiscians,
or opposites (right handed becomes left handed). The command then is not
to humanity, nor is it authority to breed by nature (catholic) instead
of intelligence. It is not even a command by God, but only of that of a
mythologist observing a biologic fact billions of years later.
18. And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark (earth) were Shem,
and Ham and Japeth: and Ham is the father of Canaan.
Noah's three sons are the same as Adam's three, and both are the
Creator's "generations", namely, the three lower elements, astral,
etheric and chemical.
Shem is the Egyptian Khem, whence chemical. Elsewhere we are told that Japeth was the oldest, hence the order in Involution was Japeth, Ham and Shem; in Evolution, this is reversed.
Japeth - Astral
Ham- Etheric
Shem- Chemical
Refer to: Section 53.4 Answers
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posted July 12, 2001 16:05
To Corrolla90,
Pertaining to Mr. Sitchin's cosmology, here is another link discussing his literal esoteric views.
After reviewing it you will still not decide that there is no need whatsoever for extra terrestrial or super-natural causes of humankind's origins.
The Life Principle, Life Force, Phi, pi and e are all sufficient in creating spirals, life, planet positions, planet anomalies, planet anomaly position, mathematic precision and all else we see, including aliens.
Of course, I recognize that past human civilizations were much more advanced and could have populated a solar planet.
Humans or Aliens could also have layed out the intricacies of gematric Mars and Earth, but at this time, after seeing all posts here and on a hundred other sites, I favor the natural Creative Life Force. Moreover, it is obvious that certain earth monuments were built by an advanced race of beings.
But, when it comes to astrodynamics, I see Mr. Sitchin falling apart...Van Flandern, Velikovski and any other supporter of
these too. The reasons are mainly these:
1. There are millions of asteroids winging around earth at this moment. None of the large one have, nor ever will hit earth. They tend to stay in their tightly sun controlled elliptic orbits. The only ones
that did hit in the Yucatan and other places is when another body was
transiting from being a positive sun to negative planet or a sun broken planet being ejected out of our solar system by our positive sun. This ejecta is called the asteroid belt (actually lunoids) which passed the Earth on its way out. Nothing escapes the control of the suns
magnetism, not gravity. The sun produces a gravity plane, but has none of its own.
2. The sun keep all planets and moons in strict paths. Not one planet approaches the sun without first being tightly captured. So, no fear of Nibiru, Planet X or any other "rogue" body.
You name one visible planet today that has been seen to be out of line with its normal orbit.....just one! Nothing gets out of line....nothing.
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posted July 13, 2001 05:16
SHOW US THE PROOF of this so called massive brown dwarf that was supposedly found!!!!
I suspect that this brown dwarf is an invention to cover and
substantiate the latest theories science wishes to forward. There..how's
that for a reaching theory!
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posted July 13, 2001 13:10
Corolla90,
SHOW US THE EVIDENCE of just one valid scientific connection proving a link between alien and Mars, alien and Cydonia, alien and earth human creation.
OR for that matter, one valid scientific connection proving that Jesus
lived.
You cannot. You see, these stories are baseless, contrivances and not
worthy of believing.
As one true sage once said,
"Mythology is to be understood, not believed"
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posted July 14, 2001 03:24
Gilgamesh,
The Big Picture of Mythological Stories
No Anunnaki or Aliens Required
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posted July 14, 2001 10:14
I'm amazed at you who cannot say, "I'm more intelligent than Mr. Sitchin
because I figured it out" Go ahead and try it. Its not a personality
aberration. Lets try a different tack.
IF you figured out Greek, Egyptian, Bible and several others Mythologies
and their order...and
IF you figured out that these all are the same cosmology with no aliens
or Anunnaki but is as natural a philosophy as Nature itself, then
Why even bother with Mr. Sitchin and any other obscure cosmology? I found
out its all the same anyway...different gods....but still the same
story.
These obscure mythological interpretations are simply right on the edge
of understanding and catch you every time. You are playing their game.
Why not try to understand something you know easily rather than go off
into things you don't?
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posted July 14, 2001 11:36
To Keith Savage,
I have just read again (first read 07/13/01)...your post on "Mans
Fantastic Origins: Proof
Comment upon it follows:
Why isn't a two line response to a ream of oratory sufficient if it is
backed by a half a life of research encompassing 12-16 hrs a day study
in 1000s of subjects over 25 years? I did my talking for 25 years...two
liners are my speed now. Do we have to orate endlessly to conclude we
see too much? No.
What is more disgustingly disrespectful and blatantly contemptuous?
Mr. Sitchins borderline cosmology or already known Greek, Egyptian cosmology? And by borderline I mean vague, nebulous assigning of gods to alien beings. As far as I can tell the Gods were called "wandering spirits".
or surprise again, Planets!!
Mentioning you wish to go on to more important things like the Big
Picture, have you not seen a file of mine called..surprise..The Big
Picture, a product of 12-16 hrs a day study in 10,000s of subjects,
40,000 books and uncounted websites? How much bigger a picture do you
need? And what is the extent of your study and research? Do you have a
Bigger Picture that can teach me? And have you devoted 25 years to your 56 years of life? If you have I will listen to you.
By the way, I recognize, not only the possibility, but the certainty, of
previous civilizations based upon the zodiacal cycle of 25,920 years,
reaching the apex of civilization at the Pisces/Aquarius cusp, precisely
12,960 years from now as of Jan 1, 2000 seeing that we are in the cusp of
Virgo/Leo and not Aquarius, also arrived at thru intense study to find
the correct age we are transiting (with proof if you wish). Moreover
with a little calculation: civilization has had 25,920 years x 500 =
12,960,000 years to cycle thru the epitome of civilization (
Pisces/Aquarius cusp) 500 times leaving its accomplishments behind.
This is not aliens nor Anunnaki, it is human accomplishments. Moreover
these humans that you call Neanderthal, as my pages note, were psychic
which means "of uncorrupted reason" not uncorrupted morals as we are
today, figuratively speaking, knowing that too few display uncorrupted
morals. So...Neanderthal, being just previous to Sumerian, seems to be
the gods who passed uncorrupted reason in mathematics to the Sumer?
Surprise! Who else did you imagine it was? If you had read 90 Hyperphysics
of my files, you may have noticed that Neanderthal could not see out of
their eyes just like Cayce when dictating or like a baby, or an
autistic..none of them see out of their eyes...Surprise!!! But can you
grasp this psychic being enough to challenge or discuss it?
Concerning your time frame of history, you might have noticed in my
files that I not only used the Cali Yuga (Correction: A Day of Brahma) of the East Indians of 311
trillion years within 14 levels of Involution, the Fall, and Evolution,
the Rise, ordering all this in 7 levels of esoteric cosmology, neatly,
but I put many cosmologies in order over this immense period of
time..more Big Picture that you ask for!! Not only do I know the short
term history but I know the history of universe back to the beginning
and the beginning also. What is your knowledge of these things? I have
it ordered and documented on site. Would you care to discuss and
overthrow my insights of cosmology? You may if you can.
As for your comments about Oppenheimer, ice ages by nuclear war, space men influencing history and such, I wont even discuss here.
Have a good day Sir,
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posted July 15, 2001 08:29
1. The fact that Alien cosmology has Natural Cosmology detractors points to both being incomplete just as surely as Creation Theory has its
detractor, Evolution Theory.
2. We need to include, as was mentioned, all the latest theory, then
hash it all out until arriving at the theory that includes both
conscious design (that great Original Creator idea) and includes the
natural process (Nature).
3. I proposed that this great Creator, in the beginning, is so small, it
is invisible (beginning = 0 and there was only 1 zero). This is the
smallest unit of consciousness in existence. The beginning process is
that "it" (0) divided itself into two overlapping units 2(0) and divided
nearly infinitely to become...
4. Nature, as we see it.
5. Therefore, all nature has a conscious design, but that consciousness
incorporated in the torus, which makes up every tiniest bit of matter,
began in ultimate simplicity at first (the Creator God) and
subsequently evolved into the complicated world of the present, from
ultimate simplicity to more evolved form. So we see both creation and
evolution together. As far as "alien intervention" into this elegant
natural process is concerned, we shall see.
6. This is the idea that I see and try to develop. This is not My idea,
as such, this is how I noticed how the Universe works. There are
hundreds of others breaking ground in this very concept. Please do not
follow or believe me or any other, this is not a religion. Think for
yourself and develop your webpage and concepts.
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posted July 17, 2001 13:24
That's right mm,
Its a "I don't know, maybe, maybe not" kind of universe here...Borderland.
Also, Meta doesn't have a belief system..I have an understanding system
encompassing each opposing belief system +0-
I hope you have an understanding system also. Please..never believe mine..I don't want you to. Understand it...that
would be better for you.
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posted July 17, 2001 14:52
Lesson #36858963
So we see the fruit of borderland theory.
It engenders eternal argument and brings the worst out of all of us.
So ask yourself....what is the cause of these conflicts?
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posted July 18, 2001 11:49
Concerning Soul,
Source: Quartum Organum and Plato showing Anunnaki have nothing to do with a soul of humans:
From Plato I learned that the word Soul should properly be translated
Soul Qualities. This is why we regard older people as being more
"soulful" than children and pay them respect. From Plato, I learned that
soul qualities are developed by you over your lifetime. You are the
creator of soul, not this so called God. After you pass on, guess where
your soul qualities go?
Religions mistake: Soul is not handed down to humans from an unseen
entity or slipped into the body by a Creator. It does not pre.exist the
body.
Quartum Organum: "According to science, the soul is "the aggregate of
bio.logic interests". It should now define "bio.logic", so we would know
how much of us bio.logic interests cover. Do they include, for instance,
mercy, wisdom, justice, spiritual illumination and self-sacrifice? It
would not seem so, since these bio.logic interests make war upon these
qualities, and vice versa. Furthermore, animals are just as bio.logic as
we are, and yet they have no such qualities.
Now lets try the dictionary. According to this authority, the soul is
"the part of man's nature that is especially characterized by the
attributes of self-consciousness, conscious personal identity, reason,
conscience and the higher e.motions". But from what come the lower
e.motions, the subconscious and the impersonal? If the biologist and the
lexicographers would pool their interests, they might give us an
intelligent definition of the soul; otherwise they are talking about two
ends of the same thing. Thus, the soul is another 'elephant", felt but
not seen and surrounded by fears because not understood.
Quartum Organum: The soul is the sum of all the factors we have dealt with thus far:
instinct, e.motion, reason, conscience, morality and intuition, plus
psychic powers, in other words, the complete epi.genetic construct
superimposed on the genetic construct (god in you).
Genetic = your reproductive genes.
Epigenetic = your soul qualities.
It lower part is what we call the lower psyche, a legacy left to us by
the animal and early human kingdoms. Its higher and more recent part we
call the higher psyche, a mental and moral construct of the strictly
human kingdom. Through the objective brain these two aspects express
themselves as conscious mind. Thus, after the manner of Moliere's
gentleman, we have been using soul all along and didn't know it.
The soul is both substantive and qualitive. The substantive is the
astral and mental energies, wholly un.qualified in Involution. The
qualitative is these elements impregnated with qualities developed in
Evolution. Here we can correct the immemorial error, namely, that the
soul came down from heaven to indwell a physical body. This is one of
those half-truths the Western mind cannot conjure with. What did come
down was the astral (aster, star stuff) and mental substantive, not the
qualitation. This is Evolutions contribution, and this alone gives
meaning to Creation- Involution."
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posted July 18, 2001 13:15
The point about soul being?
If this god is merely our genetic and Anunnaki are suspected to have
manipulated our genetic and moreover our epi.genetic qualities are over
and above the genetic, then we, as superior beings, over the genetic
manipulation, have the ability to overcome any genetic god or Anunnaki
manipulation by way of our supraconsciousness and will.
Problem solved.
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posted July 19, 2001 01:17
To our Associate Poster, Angel
A quote:
"Nature alone did not made the jump from Homo-Erectus (could not even
talk it lack the physiology see some bones or what ever were not there)
to Modern-Man (Sapiens), How could nature which takes millions upon
millions and billions of years to spawn a new creature with new
features, just jump from Erectus (more ape than man) in less than 1
miserable million year?"
Reply:
This jump from species Homo Erectus to Modern Man (Sapiens) is, I hear,
altogether possible. The Creative Life Force (consciousness and energy),
at times, produces a brand new species, suddenly. Of course I have never
seen it with my eyes, nor can anyone really "prove" it. No one can. But
it seems this is the mechanism; a sudden push of evolution after a long
build-up.
I entertain this notion because:
I see humans used to be inside themselves.
The brain shows new bulging lobes occasionally.
This indicates a pushing of the Life Force.
Remember the aura of humans? Specifically the symbolic 7, 4 of which are the mental, astral, etheric before the physical body? These exist long
before the body is created. It is called the Archetype human and is
invisible but it is still there long before the actual body appears.
So I see this auric human, invisible, being formed by the Life Force
(not by Aliens or Anunnaki but the auric human was the Anunnaki) and
then occasionally, boom, the Force pushes another human form out into
existence...a brand new evolved species, seemingly out of nowhere.
Now, as for the names of these invisible auric humans, can we venture a guess that they may have been called Anunnaki, Gods or some such name by people who, having just come from those invisible realms (Sumer,
Phoenician, Chaldean etc), knew of this process of creation? It seems so
to me.
Imagine a Sumerian who finds his whole being turned around from seeing the internal sun to seeing the external sun in our sky thru the
activation of the pineal gland. Looking back at his ancestors, he
realizes that these ancestors have a psychic reason that is unparalleled
to what he knows. He begins to call them "they who from Heaven to earth,
came". And where is heaven? Within isn't it? Yes. And where did Sumers
psychic-human ancestors come from? Within. That's right. That's where the
psyche is...within.
And the rest is history.
The names given to these higher species, whatever the names were, fall into the very natural process we now call nature.
Case solved. What do you think? If we don't see this natural process
clearly what other very bazaar process is there? Remember, it has to be
rooted in nature and reality.
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posted July 19, 2001 20:02
Ok..So many words, so little time to sort and respond,
Here's a two liner: Life Force = Anunnaki and all the other Gods and
Goddesses of every other civilizations myths, that eventually bring down
the Life Force into matter.
Some call this Creative Life Force, Eternal Consciousness, Creative God
and such things.
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posted July 20, 2001 02:57
About Thomas Didymus,
Didymos (Greek): Double sex, not double mind.
All Saviors and Gods were also of double sex or dual nature + and -
All Saviors and Gods had a female consort.
Hermaphroditic.
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posted July 20, 2001 03:29
From Corolla90: I have a few questions to ask to our resident intelligencia... : )
If there was Evolution, how come there are still chimpanzees and
gorillas around?
Meta Answers: Previous life forms do not disappear when the Life Force
creates a new level of consciousness ..its called concomitant.
If there was Evolution, how come the rest of the animal kingdom hasn't
really changed in the past million years?
Meta Answers: See above.
Can science explain the different human races? (asian, african,
caucasian, etc...)?
Meta Answers: Idea, Archetype, manifestation. All variations have been
created since the beginning, invisible but still existing without form
until the proper time.
How come the Human being is the only animal who doesn't have a
relationship with his environment?
Meta Answers: We moderns have been turned inside out from the previous
higher invisible Involutionary mental, astral and etheric beings who
were outside in, called Anunnaki, Gods, Eloheim and a hundred more
names.
Why did the human being lose his fur, strength and animal instinct
during his "evolution" if he had a relationship with his environment?
Meta Answers: In Involution, fur, strength and animal instinct were
necessary for beings who were of uncorrupted reason (Gods). Today we
don't need these as a new consciousness has replaced those protections.
We call this new consciousness- reason. But some are still fixed without
soul qualities and are operating in the duality of competition: we call
these people commercialists: legalized killing from behind desks : )
Why does the human only use 10% of his brain while other animals use
theirs at a 95 to 100% rate? devolution? from what?
Meta Answers: No research on this. Devolution to me is the period
between the Fall of Gods into matter and the Rise of the Life Force from
matter (Egypt).
If all humans followed the same "Evolution", why are there still tribes
and people living in huts out there when another part are going to the
moon? Shouldn't we be all at the same stage? Are the same species of
animals smarter in certain countries? Are asian dogs smarter than
american dogs?
Meta Answers: Living in huts is no indicator of an un.evolved group.
Being an aggressive, war making, power-seeking, technological group is
no indicator of having evolved.
Why do we have certain extra organs in us like the appendix or extra
teeth that we have to have taken out?
Meta Answers: Not sure.
Why is the human species the only species that have a hard time to give
birth (women, bone structure) ?
Meta Answers: Not sure.
Why are our genes linked to two original humans from africa? Shouldn't
have humans evolved in different places on earth?
Meta Answers: Yes true, we should have sprung up in every part of the
earth even if different color and type. At the same time or different
times is still unknown to me.
Please post your responses.
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posted July 20, 2001 12:32
Corolla90,
That seems to be correct.. This Life Force is only the genetic drive of
biologic forms such as we are. The soul qualities you're interested in
is the epi.genetic construct strictly belonging to us humans. Now I see
that no god whatsoever can claim construction or intervention to this.
From here I made a definite distinction between this Life Force and Life
just as surely as between Creation and Evolution, Involution(fall) and
Evolution(rise) or Jesus and The Christ, the body and the soul
qualities....all the same concept on different fractal levels.
These soul qualities however have been in the preparation since the
beginning, first in Involution as the three beginning levels of the Idea
of God, if you will, invisible for trillions of yrs, the level 4
Chronos, begins to manifest, thereafter descending (falling) into levels
5, 6 and 7 into matter, mythologically, earth matter. The preparation for
the human soul qualities to function has, to this point taken probably
20 trillion yrs x 7 = the beginning of Devolutiom, the isomeric
reversal of right hand molecules to left handed. We call this
iso.merism.
This reversal is represented Mythologically by the dying of Jesus and
the resurrection of The Christos, or Life Force, in one story (bible).
We see that Jesus never rose again, it was the Chrestos that rose up out
of matter (Egypt)....anyway
From here, we are only half way from beginning to where we are now...
Now the Life Force, reversed, begins to produce the higher Life of
mineral, plant, animal and humans 20 trillion yrs x 4 levels of 7 (3
more to go). The Life appears in these, epi.genetic consciousness, to
every increasing degrees...finally the last form is created, the human
form....
With us having soul qualities to give back to the Universe when we pass
on. It seems the Universe needs what we experience so it can learn to
produce even higher consciousness. The Life Force waits and waits until
the Push builds enough, then, every so often, the Evolutionary Impulse
(Creative Intelligence) pushes a brand new kind of human out into the
world....Neanderthal to Sumerian, for example. Anunnaki is probably just
their name for this new Push of Life. These Anunnaki may also have been
real visible beings or invisible but in each case, of a higher inner
psychic caliber just as all others before the outward Sumer.
Now we are talking, so far here, about a time span of say, 20
trillion yrs x 11 levels of 14.
Now Zack is dealing in a little theory about flesh and bones and I'm
looking at it and cant help but grit my teeth seeing that he doesn't
bring up nor knows of this fantastic meta.physical beginning and root of
us. I also have great reservation knowing any cloning of humans may not
transmit the work of the Universe into a new body...Something may be
missing. I ask, how can technologically produced clones have the mental,
astral and etheric constructs the Universe spent 220 trillion yrs, so
far, developing in Involution and half of Evolution? I personally don't
think they realize what they are doing.
If the ratio of people who understand metaphysics and physics is 10 :
1000 then so be it. This metaphysics is never intended for the 1000. I
have ever been astonished that certain religious people, for example,
say they understand all about this Creating God of theirs, yet, they
know nothing of the levels that lead back to their God. So it is with
theories that say, well..we came from other places in the solar system,
planets crashed into each other, planets exploded, physics explanations
is fine and adequate without this "meta.physics garbage" and one and
on....its not cutting it friends.
The Real World is invisible
The Actual World is Platos cave shadows.
Look at the Real World of the Inner Metaphysics not
The Actual World of the reflecting shadow of the cave.
"Our future is greater than we can possibly hope for". Meta200
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posted July 20, 2001 13:14
Angel's Quote: "To the skeptics i have to say, don't just talk
PROVE your theory or at least parts of it, without resulting to
INVISIBLE-MUMBO-JUMBO...stuff
like show a piece of bone or a zigurrat whose corners are aligned such a
way as to be oriented to the cardinal points and to the equinoxes so
that therefore it is this 100000 years old or 100...things like
that...don't come and tell you just found some LIFE-FORCE...which you
cant even measure"...
Meta: Here are some measurements, being extremely precise, using the
constants, pi, gematric roots of geometry measuring real, physical
structures and aligning these real physical structures not only
precisely with each other, but with the earth grid, other planets and
the stars.
Now you cannot say, any more, that you were not given precise physical
evidence. Now you may be the skeptic.
Pleasant Higher Life to You,
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posted July 20, 2001 14:47
Corolla90,
Why did I follow the Life Force and not
Intervention
The Life Force is the primal root of these theories allowing you to
properly evaluate these theories. Once you understand the beginnings and
development of the Life Force, you understand any following theory of
its process.
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posted July 22, 2001 03:37
Gordon,
Has it ever occurred to you that the 14 Goddesses spoken about is the
very same 14 levels of Involution (7 down) and Evolution (7 upward)? Or
7 Gods (Involutionary levels) plus 7 Goddesses (Involutionary levels).
Its symbolic isn't it? One level is approx 20 trillion yrs. Gods and
Goddesses are refined (advanced) time spans, not advanced real being?
Ever wonder why the Nibiru orbital period is exactly 3600 and not 3599
or 3601 yrs? Its a gematric, symbolic fractal number 36 of the Sumerian
isn't it?
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posted July 22, 2001 11:51
If the Nefilim of the Bible are the Anunnaki, and they are the same, and
if Nefilim are mentioned in Genesis only, and Genesis is Involution
before the garden story and Exodus is Evolution after the garden story,
it follows that since the Adam (and Eve) were the first visible people,
the Anunnaki were invisible beings.
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posted July 25, 2001 06:28
Here is a very simple and plain description of the Caduceus, not
"Cadeusus", from a book which devotes a whole 18 pages of detailed
history of the Caduceus. Quartum Organum:
"As the creative process is both downward and upward, the Greeks had a
symbol for both. This is the Caduceus of Hermes, the messenger, (active
agent) of the gods. The serpent on the left hand is Involution; that on
the right is Evolution. As the creative force returns to its source, the
Hindu's gave it another twist, a serpent swallowing its tail. And the
zodiac, beginning with aquarius and returning to aquarius, embodies the
same idea. Thus the whole creative process is symbolized by the serpent,
or satan",... blah, blah, blah...
See...its the old story...Involution, the fall, and Evolution, the rise.
So we should not hear about how much you know of the Caduceus and love
it and in the same breath how much you dislike the involution/evolution
ideas. They are the very same thing.
Likewise, we should not hear about how much you think of Mercury/Hermes as a real flesh and blood person, messenger of the gods and at the same time, poo pooing any idea concerning the "creative force" of involution/evolution. The "creative force" IS Mercury/Hermes.
And, likewise, we should not hear about how you think the "small gods"
were flesh and blood and, at the same time, poo poo
Mercury/Hermes/serpent/satan/ as the "creative force" because these two
concepts, are also, the same.
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posted July 26, 2001 06:58
To All,
Corolla90 writes,
"Meta, you've accused somebody earlier on of always referring to
Sitchin's literature when proving a point. I see you do the same with Quartum Organum. Just a thought.
Besides quoting Quartum Organum, Meta, bring us proof that what Sitchin is saying doesn't make sense?"
Meta: When hearing an extreme reference to the Sitchin name for the
millionth time as if I were being brainwashed with repetition (I hate
that tactic), I use an equal and opposite Quartum Organum extreme to
balance. Equilibrium, my friend, equilibrium. He may be intelligent,
through, well schooled and of an upright principled character but..he is
not god, and his theories are not gospel, and neither is Quartum
Organum. Equilibrium, my friend, equilibrium.
Here is a little something to chew on concerning the absurdities of
interpreting Sumer cosmology literally and that his assumptions don't
make sense-
IF there were, lets say, a million people upon the earth for the
Anunnaki to experiment on to create this "perfect model" of Jeremiah's
Sumer, and the Anunnaki are one and the same with the Bibles Nefilim,
and the ADAM was the first Anunnaki (Ninti- G.De Spain) perfect being
created, being the ADAM of the Bible, then ADAM was not the first upon
earth was he? There were a million others there that the Anunnaki
experimented upon before, making the Bible an inaccurate story!!!! No
answers can be adequate to resolve this is there...
IF the Nefilim of the Bible are the Anunnaki, and they Are the same, and
if Nefilim are mentioned in Genesis only, and Genesis is Involution
before the garden story and Exodus is Evolution after the garden story,
it follows that since the Adam (and Eve) were the first visible people,
the Anunnaki were invisible beings. No answers can be adequate to
resolve this is there...
Until we can answer these dilemmas, please don't proceed to other
assumptions and speculation!
Meta200
Meta200
posted July 26, 2001 14:37
The following reasoning not only shows that the Bible is inaccurate, plus within the Pentateuch, the first original five books, but it also shows
that the so called flesh and blood Anunnaki were not visible and that
the Sumer characters that parallel with the subsequent characters of the
Bible are also as inaccurate as the Bible, unless shown otherwise~
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IF there were, lets say, a million people upon the earth for the
Anunnaki to experiment on to create this "perfect model" of Jeremiah's
Sumer, and the Anunnaki are one and the same with the Bibles Nefilim,
and the ADAM was the first Anunnaki (Ninti- G.De Spain) perfect being
created, being the ADAM of the Bible, then ADAM was not the first upon
earth was he? There were a million others there that the Anunnaki
experimented upon before, making the Bible an innacurate story!!!! No
answers can be adequate to resolve this is there...
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From Corolla90- Adam WAS the first official human. The first official
MAN. The Bible IS somewhat innacurate. It's basically a story retold and transmitted from generation to generation based on the Sumerian Enuma Elish.
You also stated...
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IF the Nefilim of the Bible are the Annunaki, and they Are the same, and
if Nefilim only are mentioned in Genesis, and Genesis is Involution
before the garden story and Exodus is Evolution after the garden story,
it follows that since the Adam (and Eve) were the first visible people,
the Annunaki were invisible beings. No answers can be adequate to
resolve this is there...
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From Corolla90- Again, you base yourself on Quartum Organum by saying that everything before the Garden was Involution. Forget the Bible. It's only a summary of retold tales. What you should read is the Sumerian Enuma Elish. Then you would know that the Bible tale of creation is only a revamped or "Christianized" version of a very old and COMPLETE text.
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Rules:
1. Discern the specific statement.
We already know the Bible is a revamped version. We don't appreciate
being told something we already understand. Get on with the next answer.
Everything before the Iso.meric reversal of elements WAS involution.
This is physics, not bible.
Everything before the Tree of Knowledge, WAS Involution.
Everything before the Life Force, WAS Involution, and Only The Life
Principle, not Personality.i.e., Persona- root of personality meaning "A
mask over the truth", meaning the personalities of Anunnaki are actually
a mask over the fact that these are principles, not personalities.
Use something from your Enuma Elish to show this last section to be as
innacurate as the literal interpretations.
By the way, Enuma has within it the root numa which is the root word in
pneumatic- air, breath, wind, the power of the air, aether, space,
principles of space....not persona.
Meta200
Meta200
posted July 26, 2001 18:27
Angel,
So, keeping my rule 1. Do not skirt the issue,
Lets address the possible Natural mutations of the ape / man transition:
Here is what I think. During the course of the Life Force and its sudden
explosion of "different" kinds of animal and human forms, and
combinations of both we might start, logically, within the 7 levels of
involution, at chronos, level 4 of 7 down into material matter. Here is
where the archetypes of Aryans are (4, illuminated man), Atlantians (5,
emotional man), Lemurians (6, sensuous man) and Hyporborians (7,
material, physical man) , whose Evolutionary counterpart is Human (4),
Animal (5), Plant (6) and Mineral (7, material, matter) with 4, 5, 6 and
7 corresponding between Involution (the fall) and Evolution (the rise).
Now, upon this solid premise, I can postulate that there may have been a descent as follows:
4. extremely invisible, psychic, interiorized mostly animal, ape-man
5. mostly invisible, highly psychic, interiorized, mostly emotional-
animal, ape-man
6. somewhat invisible / visible, psychic, interiorized, sensuous,
ape-man
7. purely physical, interiorized, material man with ape rationality for
survival...we might mistake these level 7 beings (Neanderthal)for one who could see out of their eyes (Sumerian).
All this is way before exteriorized, highly psychic Sumerians at the
"END" of level 7 which is the beginning of the Garden story of the
Bible.
Hope this addresses your challenge.
Meta200
Meta200
posted July 27, 2001 16:32
The reason we should not dismiss the metaphysical, invisible half of the physical:
Einstein's E=Mc^2 should actually be written E*E=(m*m)*(c*c*c*c)
incorporating both metaphysics and physics.
The electron must precess 720 degrees to arrive at its beginning.
Showing us that its precession requires both a physics and a
metaphysics.
So to dismiss the metaphysical roots of a physical origin of humankind
seems to be an error, since all origins plus human origin is embedded in
energy to mass and the electron.
If we are not aware of the above facts, we do not and never will
understand human origins, which is quite obvious.
Meta200
Meta200
posted July 28, 2001 19:06
Whoa Angel, hold your horses, you are assigning size to the "big" G and
"little" g and its not like that.
Your quote:
"so here we are..the new god is small and imperfect compared to the old one the BIG MIND GOD...in a way one is a Theorist (GOD), the other one
is an implementor and experimenter sneaky..they are rivals, the BIG one
GOD has set a time limit on the small one right after the collapse and
has put many traps in the way of the small-god..but the latter is sneaky
he finds escape routes...and survives..but i think the BIG one will
eventually win and he will regain his Super Symmetrical beauty....which
means the end of this and other physical universes by the way.
I guess, Meta, you like that...
The Sitchin theory has to do with the small-god creation..the problem
with Meta200 is that he and his followers think the small-god and the
BIG G are the same..they are not..they are rivals..."
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From Meta: The First God (G) was not BIG before it divided into 2, it was the smallest unit. It had the ability to expand (divide), yes, but only to fill the void with quantum consciousness thru division. And the division
into 2 was a duplicate of itself, the smallest quantum consciousness
unit copy of itself.
G = 1
This is all we can postulate here. And, I am aware that the 2 gods were
antigone (antagonists).
And the "shape" of the G was a torus.
Meta200
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posted July 28, 2001 19:42
To all,
In the beginning was 0 and one 0.
0 and 1
010101010101010101
When 1 (G=0) divided into 2 (g=1) and copied itself, that copy was a
perfect copy (duplicate). Thats what copy means. Now there were (G) and
(g) the copy. The only interpretation of antigone (antagonist) we can
assign to the copy is spin.
For example: Take one torus-sphere (G) and spin it clockwise. Now take
the 2nd torus-sphere (g) and spin it the same clockwise spin as the 1st
(G). This is antagonistic because the two surfaces "grate" against each
other. This is called spin-down and spin-up in quantum mechanics.
This is the quantum relationship between (G) and (g). Same spin but (G)
and (g) are repellent (antagonistic). Then comes myth and religion and
they call it "the war in Heaven".
I say quantum relationship here to show it is not a "Big" G nor a "Big"
g. Quantum size, my friend, quantum.
Meta200
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posted July 29, 2001 17:08
From Angel: "Why would a GOD create his own death?
This is the part I don't understand, GOD must be very intelligent MIND
why would he create his own end.. You agree with me the universe is
doomed even if it takes like forever it will die out...so how can G=g?"
From Meta: God didn't create its own death, it just split itself up into multiplicity. The Universe will cycle, not die out. I proved that space expands at the same rate as the angle of the Giza pyramid side angle. I also proved that the Giza pyramid has 8 sides in reality (an octahedron) which is telling us that all universal space is enclosed within an octahedron. Now the Big Bang of Information was the event at the apex of this octahedron. It expanded inside the octahedron and will begin to contract again when the vortex of matter within this octahedron reaches the base of the octahedron. Then the matter will contract over time, and exit the upside down apex of this octahedron. We are close to the base now where curved space will begin to look like flat space.
G does not equal g.
From Angel: "but at least you agree that the gods of sumer could be real flesh and bones beings...don't you?
From Meta: The gods of Sumer are nearly impossible to locate in time. I have tried many years. I have made no positive identification of the time periods that could range from
Involution,
Garden story- The serpent got a bad rap : ) It was suppose to happen.
Evolution,
From Angel: "And that the creation of adam did not occur over night out of e=mc^2."
From Meta: Creation of Adam, all so called "gods", mineral forms, plant forms, animal forms, human forms was from the beginning. This is a very important concept. All that has been, is and ever will be is in the making from the beginning. All future superhuman forms (the real superman) are in the making right now, and always have been. The universal Life Force waits until it is time to manifest its Ideas so we wait for the real Superman to show up.
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From Gordon De Spain: "One name I particularly like, is, "E.A, Father of Man."
[/quote]i think one is the son of another..and the collapse was like a
birth whether unwanted by the big one...kind of like a spoiled
child...[/quote]"
From Meta:
When you hear phrases like this such as "one is the son of another" or as I have heard, "the son of the Sun", this is referring to the relationship of the sun to the earth. The earth is the son of the sun. It's telling us that the earth (spoiled child, negative planet) was born from the center of the sun (Father Sun, parent, positive sun). In other words, when the past sun lost its light, it left our earth inside. This earth was a gahenna, a flaming hot previous sun, not a garden. This is where earths come from and nothing can live on it at this time. During the garden story period of the bible the earth was, lets say, 6 million degrees temperature. Who did you say was on earth, again?
Meta200
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posted July 31, 2001 23:31
No matter how many times it is shown that
Hyperdimension = 4D = cold energy, not heat.
They go on in deliberate blindness.
Meta200
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posted August 02, 2001 16:06
More evidence that, not only the Eloheim, which are equated with the Sumerian Anunnaki, were hermaphrodic, or double sexed, the same story as Thomas Didymos in the New Testament. If the Anunnaki were hermaphrodic, the reality of this is speaking of the Life Principle and not real beings. How do real hermaphrodic beings transmit their DNA to humans who become male and female, separately? Impossible if we assume real beings.
"Among the Sephiroth, jointly and severally, we find the development of the persons and attributes of God. Of these some are male and some
female. Now, for some reason or other best known to themselves, the
translators of the Bible have carefully crowded out of existence and
smothered up every reference to the fact that the Deity is both
masculine and feminine. They have translated a feminine plural by a
masculine singular in the case of the word Elohim. They have, however,
left an inadvertent admission of their knowledge that it was plural in
Genesis iv, 26: "And Elohim said: Let Us make man." Again (v. 27), who
could Adam be made in the image of Elohim, male and female, unless the
Elohim were male and female also? The word Elohim is a plural formed
from the feminine singular ALH, Eloh, by adding IM to word. But inasmuch
as IM is usually a termination of the masculine plural and is here added
to a feminine noun, it gives to the word Elohim the sense of a female
potency united to a masculine idea, and thereby capable of producing an
offspring. How, we hear much of the Father and the Son, but we hear
nothing of the Mother in the ordinary religions of the day. But in the
Qabalah we find that the Ancient of Days conforms Himself simultaneously into the Father and the Mother, and thus begets the son. Now, this Mother is Elohim. Again, we are usually told that the Holy Spirit is masculine. But the word RVCh, Ruach, Spirit, is feminine, as appears
from the following passage of the Sepher Yetzirah: "AChTh RVCh ALHIM
ChIIM, Achath (feminine, not Achad, masculine) Ruach Elohim Chimm: One
is She the Spirit of the Elohim of Life."
Meta200
posted August 03, 2001 00:40
Hmmm that Keoki is smart.
Next postulate:
1 (One) G(od) is double sexed (hermaphroditic).
1 to 2 transitions had to be between the Creator God (chaos) and the
Garden Story, a matter of 20 trillion yrs x 7 Involutionary levels =
140,000,000,000,000 <<< trillion yrs.
Within this time span, how many transitions (Ideas, Archetypes) do you
suppose happened from (hermaphrodic unity 1) to multiplicity of Adm /
Heve, Eve, Eva)?
Was every Idea concomitantly developed simultaneously from the
beginning?
Meta200
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posted August 03, 2001 01:02
Kioki then shows good reason that Anunnaki were not hermaphroditic and states that they were real, flesh and blood beings which prompted my next question as follows:
English Translation Addenda:
In other words, what is the names of the so called beings between 1
hermaphroditic God and 2 human Adm / Eve?
If you say Anunnaki was between 1 and 2 then Anunnaki were fractional
beings.
If you rightly conclude that there are no fractionals between 1 and 2
then Anunnaki don't exist.
Solve this riddle~
Meta200
Meta200
posted August 03, 2001 03:10
Kioki decides that Anunnaki are real beings and here is the dilemma:
So what's so special about Sitchin pointing out that Anunnaki / Eloheim
were plural..Even I just showed that to you. I bet Jeramiah doesn't know
that the numerical equivalent of the word Eloheim is 3.14159 (pi)...do
you know the implications of this? .......anyway.
You have chosen to see Anunnaki as single male / female entities
therefore you accept that they are fractional beings according to the
above logic.
Now then, please...if there is fractions between 1 and 2 such as 1.1,
1.2, 1.3 etc,
You are saying that Anunnaki, being between 1 (god) and 2 (adm / eve)
were part whole. How can we have a part of a being?
Solve the mystery~
Meta200
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posted August 06, 2001 06:39
Here's a cool link to let you see more about what Eloheim and Anunnaki
are, since Eloheim is equated with the number 3.14159 and Anunnaki is
another word for Eloheim, you can begin to understand what an Eloheim
really is when you understand more about Pi and the progression from 1 to
2 to 3 to 3.14159.
Meta200
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posted August 06, 2001 14:14
I think I can kill off this Anunnaki insanity with a few short
paragraphs:
26. "And God said (HE could speak?), Let us make man (should be Man) in
our image, after our likeness; and let them have domination (dominion in
other versions) over the fish of the sea, and over the fowls of the air,
and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping
thing that creepeth upon the earth".
Commentary: Here a singular Creator suddenly becomes plural- the Elohim. The word comes from Alheim and means a council, a council of the gods, the creative aspects of one power. It was here at this same point in the Greek myths that the Titans began creating Man. The Elohim were,
inferentially, 12 in number, since there were 12 Titans and 12 powers of
the zodiac. (It might be of interest to some to know that the numerical
value of the word Alheim is 3.1415, the relation of a diameter to the
circumference of a circle, here the zodiac.) If this be physical man,
the Bible is saying that he was here from the very beginning of
Evolution, which is contrary to both science and occult cosmology
Therefore:
"Man" = the invisible Archetypes (level 4 Involution, Invisible
Elohim/Alheim/Anunnaki, Invisible Archetype human)
"man of the garden story" = Level 7 Evolution (Visible Adam/Eve garden
story)
"man" = the first solid, very physical humans LONG LONG AFTER the garden story, in Evolution (approx Level 4 Evolution).
Now..lets look at where the 12 Titans are which are equated with 12
Elohim. Here you will see that the 12 Titans begin on Level 4 of the
Involutionary 7 of The Fall of God. Notice that Archetypal Man begins at
Involution Level 4 also. This is NOT visible Adam/Eve LONG AFTER Level
4, nor is it historical physical man (small m) which was LONG LONG AFTER
the garden story.
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So now we will do some simple math: I divided the complete cycle of
creation: Estimate from Indian cosmology- 311 trillion years into 14
levels (7) down then (7) up, ie, Involution and Evolution, each of the
14 is approximately
20,000,000,000,000 (20 trillion years)
Therefore, between the time of the Titans who are equated with Eloheim which are equated with Anunnaki, of which there were ONLY 12, which represent the zodiac and Pi, 3.1415....and the time of Adam and Eve in the garden, we have to multiply
20,000,000,000,000 x 4 (the difference in years between Level 4 (Titans) and Adam / Eve, Level 7 (visible beings in the garden), which =
80,000,000,000,000 (80 trillion years).
The difference between the Titans and human man is EVEN LONGER by some 80 more trillions of years.
160,000,000,000,000 years (160 trillion years)
Now...unless you are prepared to tell us all that Alheim / Elohim /
Anunnaki lived for 80,000,000,000,000 years before creating garden
beings (Adam / Eve), you best rethink your premises, and
160,000,000,000,000 years before creating humans of historical studies,
you should reallly rethink your premises.
Meta200
Meta200
posted August 07, 2001 02:03
The Time Frame picture that I just drew, above, is not part of the
whole, it IS the whole.
The Premise is:
If we can understand the whole picture, we can understand any part of
the whole picture.
Therefore any part becomes easily identified, such as Anunnaki, which we just equated with the circle and line, zodiac and division through the
center which reminds me of another study I documented
Wherein the straight line force of the Life Force begins to curve (the
magic carpet myths of Persia). When the universal forces curve they are
said to eventually "spiral down". Now, as you may intuitively
understand, this is another phrase for "The Fall" ...of God... that is,
of "The Gods". In this case it is the center seeking force known as
"Will" or will power of God, that "action" that defines "the Self", as
outlined in this link:
It seems that these lesser powers (gods) are equated with will power of the center seeking forces of the zodiacal circle (spiral) through the
relationship of the diameter to that spiraling circle (the oroboros or
the zodiac).
In other words, when space begins to curve, centered will power of the
universe manifests.
Therefore we may begin to see Alheim/Eloheim/Anunnaki/Titans as the 12 Self centering zodical, universal Will Powers created by space curving.
Meta200
Meta200
posted August 29, 2001 14:17
Quote from Osprey44 ("Miss Understanding")
<< Well by God, "Let there be light!"....I think I actually agree with Met
on this one...maybe ....that is, if one would consider the "Highly
intuitive psychic beings were first, and "best" to be the super 'smart'
sub-atomic particles that were formed and self-organized to form the
cosmos and also into the ancient microbes here on earth that
communicated and exchanged DNA and adapted into multicellular life with
sexual reproduction and eventually to life as we now know it on this
planet in this universe at least....Its all just the intelligence on the
subatomic scale advancing into the current global brain.....and beyond. >>
Now compare this to the Literal Gods Theories and see the truth.
*smile*"
Meta200
posted September 01, 2001 06:45
Here is a little something for you, so you can see what the Sumerian
Gods were:
The first king listed is ALULIM who ruled for 18 sars and 4 ner (18 years and 4 months) which is exactly the SAROS cycle of eclipses
for a calendar based on a 360-day year. It is known that "Sumerian scribes...used the schematic year of 30 x 12 = 360 days".
Enc.Brit., Macr., 15th ed., "Calendar". ALULIM is thus a heavenly god and not a human ruler.
The Sons of God were astronomy. Their "reigns" are heliacal risings
of constellations or stars used to divide the 360ˇof the heavens
Meta200
Meta200
posted September 04, 2001 07:23
Art,
Your quote: "If we name a crater on the Moon "Copernicus" does that deny the existence of the man?"
Response: If we, for future generations of studiers of cosmology, named Copernicus as a man and the crater on the moon as another name, it would facilitate their understanding instead of confuse them, as our previous ancestors have evidently done to us!
The Babylonian Anunnaki (Ningischzida) also consisted of 500-600
"extra-terrestrials" constantly moving between heaven and the underworld. According to Werner Papke,
these were without question the rising and setting stars. To
Anunnaki, the Navajo Indians have the similar term Anasazi (Ancient Ones)
and South American Indians have their (A)Naz(a)ca figures: constellations marked on earth.
(Note: 500-600 Anunnaki is not consistant with the previously established 12 Anunnaki. I interpret the 500-600 as being level 5 and 6 of Involution, The Fall into matter.)
The ancient cultures divided the sky into 36 "night stations" of stars.
These could be divided into a total of 108 (36 x 3) segments or sars (Latvian zar- = "branch") for better detail. I simply calibrated the data by potentiating 108 by 10 to get 1080 (= 360 x 3) and then dividing by 3. This was applied to the individual "reigns" of the kings to get the degrees of arc of the circle. For example, we potentiate 20 sars x 10 = 200. Then we divide by 3, which gives 66.66 degrees (of 360 degrees). When we do this with all of the lengths of reign, the total is 360ˇ. Hence, the ancients are simply "sectioning" their ancient heavenly "clock" of stars.
Meta200: Tell me now, how are the "ancient cultures" as the forgoing
points out, telling the "King" how long to "reign"?? Your answer will
perhaps be more absurd than the question. Face it...these were not
people.
Meta200
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G is +
g is -
As the Romans said "Deamon est Deus Inversus": "Deamon is God, Inverted."
level 4 Chronos
level 5
level 6
level 7- matter (Egypt)
Devolution- reversal of element twist.
level 7 mineral
level 6 plant
level 5 animal
level 4 human
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Planet heat is from being a previous sun.
Planets don't move from their tight orbits.
Principles are not personalities.
Greeks made their gods deliberately fantastic so as not to be believed
and so did all others.
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2 (Two) Eloheim / Anunnaki is male / female.
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